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Prophet 451

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190. Don't misunderstand me

Tue Sep 2, 2014, 07:14 PM

Sep 2014

I'm very much in favour of legalising pot for both medical and recreational use (subject to the kind of regulation we put on booze).

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Big change to make it harder for patients to get pain killers like Vicodin [View all] bananas Aug 2014 OP

ASCP Reacts to Rescheduling of Hydrocodone Combination Products bananas Aug 2014 #1

Now all people will have to see a doc riversedge Aug 2014 #3

I understand your concern but the reasons behind these new restrictions are well totodeinhere Aug 2014 #18

Exactly. My grandson is addicted to pain meds and this should have been done years ago. It has been jwirr Aug 2014 #31

Many families are facing similar problems. I wish your grandson the very best. n/t totodeinhere Aug 2014 #35

Thank you. jwirr Aug 2014 #41

This doesn't make it harder to get...just makes doctors richer. nt kelliekat44 Sep 2014 #194

We all know which roads are paved by good intentions. 1monster Aug 2014 #56

You are right. This is a riversedge Aug 2014 #143

I disagree. Laelth Aug 2014 #157

Well, addiction and dependence are different animals. Warpy Aug 2014 #178

"Now all people will have to see a doc" mpcamb Aug 2014 #135

For those patients who need refills... mwooldri Aug 2014 #149

I was in the ER with food poisoning a few weeks ago. Bette Noir Aug 2014 #163

A lot of geriatric GPs have visiting PAs and NPs. For chronic conditions, this can be a lifesaver. politicat Sep 2014 #184

I've been on hydrocodone twice for several weeks following major knee surjury. I admit abusing brewens Aug 2014 #58

I also enjoy hydrocodone DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2014 #86

law of diminishing returns greiner3 Aug 2014 #121

hydrocodone shanti Aug 2014 #95

Hydrocodone is the narcotic ingredient. Norco and Vocodin are Hydrocodone plus Acetaminophen 24601 Aug 2014 #181

I took a different road to avoid abuse. phylny Aug 2014 #133

Good pscot Aug 2014 #2

Try living with chronic back pain for 20 years FrodosPet Aug 2014 #7

The US uses 90% of the world's supply of hydrocodone derivatives Recursion Aug 2014 #12

That is a good question! FrodosPet Aug 2014 #19

I meant it honestly: what do they do elsewhere? Recursion Aug 2014 #20

If you are sincerely interested, I will let you know what I find FrodosPet Aug 2014 #24

Well most likely UglyGreed Aug 2014 #106

Hydromorphone Sgent Aug 2014 #169

Here (UK), hydrocodone is rarely prescribed Prophet 451 Aug 2014 #176

I don't know what you consider to be woo medicine arikara Aug 2014 #43

Out of curiosity Ruby the Liberal Aug 2014 #60

Do you mean my TCM Dr? arikara Aug 2014 #138

Sorry - that question wasn't clear Ruby the Liberal Aug 2014 #158

I would research this country by country; here's some starting points. Divernan Aug 2014 #51

I don't know about the rest of the world Betty88 Aug 2014 #21

Isn't hyperaesthesia a side effect of hydrocodone? (nt) Recursion Aug 2014 #30

I think most of my side effects come from chemo Betty88 Aug 2014 #38

Hyperalgesia is a side effect of long-term opiate use generally Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #130

Interesting. Granny M Aug 2014 #146

One of the other effects of opiates... Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #147

Suffering builds character pscot Aug 2014 #37

As we know most other developed countries have universal health care. So residents totodeinhere Aug 2014 #25

Yup. christx30 Aug 2014 #48

Gall bladder surgery on an outpatient basis? SheilaT Aug 2014 #83

I was in otherwise really good health. christx30 Aug 2014 #97

no,they do by riversedge Aug 2014 #116

It's an outpatient surgery now. NutmegYankee Aug 2014 #144

I get by by living on a heating pad -sometimes 24/6 Ms. Toad Aug 2014 #46

While this report looks enlightenment Aug 2014 #47

Codeine/morphine. Feral Child Aug 2014 #57

"The Real Reason Pot Is Still Illegal" Strelnikov_ Aug 2014 #90

Do you suggest that American "altruism" Feral Child Aug 2014 #173

But pot doesn't work for everyone Prophet 451 Aug 2014 #177

You are an exception Feral Child Sep 2014 #188

Don't misunderstand me Prophet 451 Sep 2014 #190

Copy that. Feral Child Sep 2014 #192

when I have needed a painkiller I always tell the doc to prescribe hydocodone instead of CTyankee Aug 2014 #182

Not sure we're on the same page. Feral Child Sep 2014 #187

I agree with you on the points you have made. CTyankee Sep 2014 #189

Addiction isn't subjective. Feral Child Sep 2014 #193

Codeine is available over the counter. grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #78

But if you're downing more than one or two pscot Aug 2014 #114

Nope, codeine requires a prescription Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #131

I meant outside the US. grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #137

Hydrocodone is 6x more potent than codeine (n/t) Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #139

I really don't understand why you can't grow your own poppies grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #140

You can, you just can't extract anything from them. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #141

They suffer. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2014 #98

Forty years and counting pscot Aug 2014 #29

And blood pressure. Ms. Toad Aug 2014 #40

Naproxen is my friend LynneSin Aug 2014 #49

What side effects are you referring to? BobbyBoring Aug 2014 #33

People who don't have chronic back pain just don't understand Beaverhausen Aug 2014 #92

I hear you, 25 years here UglyGreed Aug 2014 #107

Next time you have a visit to a primary care provider, ask him or her about treatment with tricyclic Aristus Aug 2014 #134

Tcas, especially amitriptyline, have a narrow therapeutic window. politicat Sep 2014 #185

I've had chronic back pain and my right should since I was 17 snooper2 Aug 2014 #150

there are seriously good (non-addictive) options that are not approved JCMach1 Sep 2014 #195

"delays to pain relief will increase for post-acute and long-term care patient" is "good"??? WinkyDink Aug 2014 #8

Why is this good? Betty88 Aug 2014 #9

Because prescription drugs are killing an absurd amount of people in the US? Recursion Aug 2014 #15

So your answer is make it harder Betty88 Aug 2014 #23

As a user of a schedule II drug, there is a simple workaround. mwooldri Aug 2014 #148

The stuff is highly addictive pscot Aug 2014 #32

higher doses are not a sign of addiction UglyGreed Aug 2014 #108

Painful withdrawal symptoms pscot Aug 2014 #113

Well when I UglyGreed Aug 2014 #115

had fentanyl in hosp after major operation & no high at all wordpix Sep 2014 #191

I'll let my 90-year-old mother know. WinkyDink Aug 2014 #151

how is this good? stonecutter357 Aug 2014 #16

Post removed Post removed Aug 2014 #17

Obviously you have not lived with chronic - or even longer than expected acute - pain Ms. Toad Aug 2014 #34

I could trot out my medical history here pscot Aug 2014 #71

You grin and bear my sorefeet Aug 2014 #75

Neuropathy? Check. pscot Aug 2014 #85

Pain pills did zero sorefeet Aug 2014 #88

I take small doses of gabapentin pscot Aug 2014 #91

Gabapentin Did not do a thing for my neuropathy from MS Mojorabbit Aug 2014 #145

I use Neurotin for my Neuropathy Marrah_G Aug 2014 #119

Unless you are treating them Ms. Toad Aug 2014 #103

Great. Hydrocodone is exactly my 90-yr-old mother's pain prescription. But her Dr. already said he WinkyDink Aug 2014 #4

Over-reactive and enlightenment Aug 2014 #5

SOS, and then they fuel the black market. n/t RKP5637 Aug 2014 #13

haven't you heard? heaven05 Aug 2014 #22

Another stupid drug law Betty88 Aug 2014 #6

I'm no longer sure why there should even be a DEA any more... TreasonousBastard Aug 2014 #10

I have chronic back pain SnakeEyes Aug 2014 #11

Me too. This really sucks hard. 99th_Monkey Aug 2014 #72

No doubt ctsnowman Aug 2014 #14

Big Pharma is getting rich off of hydrocodone addiction LynneSin Aug 2014 #50

It cost$ ctsnowman Aug 2014 #62

$ is right 4b5f940728b232b034e4 Aug 2014 #127

How Sgent Aug 2014 #170

Great and mom who's recovering from back surgery PatrynXX Aug 2014 #26

Good! I know and have known too many Faux pas Aug 2014 #27

says the guy with a pot avatar Doctor_J Aug 2014 #45

Except pot isn't addicted and shouldn't be illegal LynneSin Aug 2014 #52

So you and the previous poster support the war on some drugs Doctor_J Aug 2014 #59

I don't trust what man makes. I do trust Faux pas Aug 2014 #63

so you're for prohibition on distilled alcohol then Doctor_J Aug 2014 #125

Yes I am. I survived a house full of alcoholics and guns, thank you very much. Faux pas Aug 2014 #154

Many synthetic opioids have now been found in nature. NutmegYankee Aug 2014 #142

Sorry for your pain, I can relate. Faux pas Aug 2014 #155

By your logic... rexcat Sep 2014 #186

Absolutely agree with Doctor_J. SoapBox Aug 2014 #69

Lousy change. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #28

Really is lousy. gvstn Aug 2014 #80

This is a bad decision. deathrind Aug 2014 #36

It has the potential to add up costs to the entire 'system' riversedge Aug 2014 #117

You know what would be really nice... logosoco Aug 2014 #39

Because most doctors are spineless sorefeet Aug 2014 #70

I think that pain doctors thatgemguy Aug 2014 #81

I had one doctor tell me sorefeet Aug 2014 #84

Great! So, because some people abuse a drug, people who don't have to suffer? Stonepounder Aug 2014 #42

I don't get it. Treant Aug 2014 #44

If you take opiate drugs you will become addicted to them. hollowdweller Aug 2014 #53

I have to disagree with that assertion. blue neen Aug 2014 #77

I'm sorry you are right. hollowdweller Aug 2014 #96

Yes, Fiorinal (with aspirin) or Fioricet ( with acetaminophen) can be very addicting. blue neen Aug 2014 #105

This message was self-deleted by its author otohara Aug 2014 #110

Some docs get a reputation for handing out Rxs much too freely. Divernan Aug 2014 #54

We ARE required to go in monthly for that 2 minute visit... SoapBox Aug 2014 #65

I think they just hand out too many at one time. hollowdweller Aug 2014 #99

These people selling these drugs to others ... happynewyear Aug 2014 #153

Can you work? hollowdweller Aug 2014 #168

No I can no longer work happynewyear Aug 2014 #172

Sure they know sorefeet Aug 2014 #76

If you are treated by other doctors they may not know csziggy Aug 2014 #79

Anyone had experience with hypnosis and/or acupuncture? Divernan Aug 2014 #55

Unfortunately SoapBox Aug 2014 #66

Thats a Buzz Kill. Rhinodawg Aug 2014 #61

Those that are not in constant and chronic pain have no clue SoapBox Aug 2014 #64

X 1000 ctsnowman Aug 2014 #68

Drug Testing a 93 Year Old? otohara Aug 2014 #118

Thank you Soapbox... kag Aug 2014 #128

This is sad. alarimer Aug 2014 #167

More money for doctors roody Aug 2014 #67

Untreated sleep apnea makes your body fight the effects of hydrocodone and opiates. McCamy Taylor Aug 2014 #73

More will be given pot instead, stopping the creation of addicts who'll do anything to get the pills TheNutcracker Aug 2014 #74

But pot cant mask pain the way opiates can, pot can help but for pain opiates are the best BaggersRDumb Aug 2014 #82

i tried medical pot and it made my pain worse. DesertFlower Aug 2014 #132

Well that sucks. TransitJohn Aug 2014 #87

Asked my wife re this, Benton D Struckcheon Aug 2014 #89

yes, of course, Benton lululu Aug 2014 #175

rush limpballs must be upset at this news wordpix Aug 2014 #93

Hah! Right! mpcamb Aug 2014 #136

Stupid idea that'll fuel christx30 Aug 2014 #94

I totally agree with you...I am a senior and if I get a debilitating disease onecent Aug 2014 #104

I'm having a very hard time getting Vicodin.... Skarbrowe Aug 2014 #100

So sorry to read of your situation - hope your doc comes through for you Divernan Aug 2014 #102

Thank-you...Oops Skarbrowe Aug 2014 #159

Thank you...oops Skarbrowe Aug 2014 #160

{{Skarbrowe}} WinkyDink Aug 2014 #152

Thank you, WinkyDink.... Skarbrowe Aug 2014 #161

You're welcome. As a Boomer, I was quite taken with the TV character WinkyDink, the first inter- WinkyDink Aug 2014 #166

I had a former girlfriend that died from liver failure caused by long time abuse of Vicodin. olddad56 Aug 2014 #101

Sorry for your loss UglyGreed Aug 2014 #109

thanks olddad56 Aug 2014 #122

People NEED painkillers! bravenak Aug 2014 #111

If only we were sophisticated enough as a society ... GeorgeGist Aug 2014 #112

I'd heard that when patients cannot get it from their doctors (after becoming addicted)... C Moon Aug 2014 #120

the issue is money and political donations quadrature Aug 2014 #123

For those cheerleading leaving millions in agony A.T.E.T.Y.D.T.T.T.C.B.T.Yx3 kickysnana Aug 2014 #124

Not exactly a surprise. These are the head "drug warriors" after all. NaturalHigh Aug 2014 #126

it doesn't say anything about refills. DesertFlower Aug 2014 #129

I expect better from a Democratic administration. Laelth Aug 2014 #156

you won't get it from O admin. I've been dealing with fed health agencies for months wordpix Aug 2014 #164

Damn it, This crap is disgusting. steelsmith Aug 2014 #162

I'm dismayed at this. yes, this can be be addictive deafskeptic Aug 2014 #165

Here comes another big wave of heroin overdoses SoFlaJet Aug 2014 #171

bad news for people with pain issues lululu Aug 2014 #174

I find this questionable at best Prophet 451 Aug 2014 #179

Dh take one a day. MissB Aug 2014 #180

yeah, it's amazing lululu Aug 2014 #183