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Bragi

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51. You wrote:

Tue Sep 2, 2014, 08:29 PM

Sep 2014

This has nothing to do with NATO and everything to do with Putin wanting to reform the Soviet Union in some new fashion.

This is what I don't get: Why would Russia NOT pursue a foreign policy that it thinks would help shape its immediate neighborhood in ways that they feel best suits their interests? I can't think of any reason for them not to do so. Given the relationships between states in the region since long-ago times, why would Russia NOT want to return things now to where it sees more advantages for itself than at present? Where it has more secure borders, the wheat fields of Ukraine, the oil and gas of central Asia, and good friendships with Chinese neighbors. I think that's one way Russia and the whole region could prosper. I think it's also close to what Putin and his group are thinking.

So what's wrong with that? Why does NATO have to surround Russia because of it? I say, let people in the region -- including Russians - decide their own future. It's certainly not ours to decide. - B

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