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newthinking

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10. Yes and no.

Reply to IronGate (Reply #2)

Wed Sep 3, 2014, 11:16 AM

Sep 2014

I think this is the difference between the neoliberals and neocons. They are working together on the false narrative (Putin is reacting to the regime change that kicked this all off and he has wanted resolution but he is losing patience) but they seem to differ on the next phase.

This is all about Russia, not Ukraine. Or we would be honest about the situation and instead we appear to have either pushed or given Kiev the wrong signals so that they have resisted coming to the table and before their people to work this out.

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Obama Pledges To Defend Baltic Allies Against Russia [View all] Purveyor Sep 2014 OP

Have the Baltic states been threatened? earthside Sep 2014 #1

Considering what Putin's Russia is doing in Ukraine, IronGate Sep 2014 #2

We had better thank our 'lucky stars' that we have this President during this Purveyor Sep 2014 #4

I fully agree. IronGate Sep 2014 #5

I must add, the thought of a Hillary presidency doesn't provide much solace either. eom Purveyor Sep 2014 #6

Me neither. IronGate Sep 2014 #7

Nor RMoney! Iliyah Sep 2014 #8

Yes and no. newthinking Sep 2014 #10

If Putin has no plans to "protect Russians" geek tragedy Sep 2014 #3

And so Russians are denying a negative, right? Do you have ballyhoo Sep 2014 #12

The Russians have a long history of invading its Neighbors??? Its neighbors has invaded Russia happyslug Sep 2014 #21

The Czechs and Hungarians invaded the USSR? nt geek tragedy Sep 2014 #22

Officially neither were invasions. happyslug Sep 2014 #23

Exactly. I have been wondering how in the world a neocon (Nuland) was in the place newthinking Sep 2014 #9

She was Bill Clinton's deputy director for former Soviet Union affairs. hack89 Sep 2014 #11

Do you get it now? Kagan, her husband, ballyhoo Sep 2014 #14

Obama doesn't need to "pledge" to defend the Baltic states. candelista Sep 2014 #13

Yes, and the affirmation of an original pledge makes ballyhoo Sep 2014 #15

Like calling Social Security an "entitlement." candelista Sep 2014 #16

Exactly, candelista...and next ballyhoo Sep 2014 #19

Words not spoken but implied: "I will not defend Ukraine." n/t cosmicone Sep 2014 #17

Why does everyone think that Putin would be stupid enough to invade a NATO ally? (EOM) Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2014 #18

It's a ploy to get all of the NATO nations CJCRANE Sep 2014 #20