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11. That's irrelevant
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 10:10 AM
Sep 2014

Last edited Fri Sep 5, 2014, 12:22 PM - Edit history (1)

If a school district wishes to negotiate separate contracts with non-union members it can. It's just a bit of a hassle for potential employees and the district, so they just use the contract the union negotiated.

While it is impossible to prove this is not a First Amendment issue (can't prove a negative yada-yada), it is a simple matter to prove this absolutely is a First Amendment issue. You are saying that an outside group should have the right to force a government department to treat a person as a second-class citizen with fewer rights and benefits unless that person joins the outside group.

The union has a responsibility to make their group attractive enough to keep their membership numbers up, rather than trying to threaten people into joining, or using extortion to keep them in the group.

Again, I understand that unions want this power to increase their influence (which is often a good thing), but denying them this power reinforces a Constitutional precedent that protects us from having to join or leave groups.

and then they should give back all the raises and benefits the union got for them nt msongs Sep 2014 #1
This^^^ ybbor Sep 2014 #2
So you believe that without a union whistler162 Sep 2014 #3
My wife and I have taught in both union and non-union states... and that's correct! Sancho Sep 2014 #4
Righteous rant. apnu Sep 2014 #6
Absolutely...nt freebrew Sep 2014 #10
So then of course you believe Guaguacoa Sep 2014 #22
It's a labor union, not government. freebrew Sep 2014 #27
Some say the same thing about government. Guaguacoa Sep 2014 #34
One doesn't have to join a government... freebrew Sep 2014 #35
One doesn't have to join a government? Guaguacoa Sep 2014 #36
Sorry... freebrew Sep 2014 #38
You don't know what I support, I Guaguacoa Sep 2014 #39
Good god... freebrew Sep 2014 #40
Are you capable of comprehension? Guaguacoa Sep 2014 #41
That's clearly not what was said BuckeyeBrad Sep 2014 #12
Then people who do not pay taxes . . . toopers Sep 2014 #21
On the immediate issue, the judge is correct. Hoppy Sep 2014 #5
If you can sign a contract for a phone for two years, you can join the union for a year! Sancho Sep 2014 #8
Stoping and starting and stoping and starting and stoping and starting Deadbeat Republicans Sep 2014 #20
DE was the same as NJ SteveG Sep 2014 #16
If they don't support the organization, fine, but then they liberalhistorian Sep 2014 #25
I understand that unions would be unhappy Android3.14 Sep 2014 #7
Your teaching CONTRACT is annual, and the bargaining agreement is likely 2 or 3 or 5 years! Sancho Sep 2014 #9
That's irrelevant Android3.14 Sep 2014 #11
Then we need to change the law SteveG Sep 2014 #17
That sounds just like those saying Guaguacoa Sep 2014 #23
fundamental difference SteveG Sep 2014 #29
That ability to pay can also be manipulated Guaguacoa Sep 2014 #32
This is a state law issue. CANDO Sep 2014 #18
Nope-it is a LABOR RIGHTS, CIVIL RIGHTS Constitutional CRISIS! n/t bobthedrummer Sep 2014 #33
the issue is 'exclusive' unions ...nt quadrature Sep 2014 #13
more rethug union busting. blackspade Sep 2014 #14
No objection from me... brooklynite Sep 2014 #15
Yes, but then they should no liberalhistorian Sep 2014 #26
Going forward, certainly... brooklynite Sep 2014 #28
I agree that it should be only liberalhistorian Sep 2014 #30
And what if.... philosslayer Sep 2014 #37
My Question Is... november3rd Sep 2014 #19
If they opt out, then they don't get any liberalhistorian Sep 2014 #24
Here in Ohio, teachers are fired at will even with the unions. greatlaurel Sep 2014 #31
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