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In reply to the discussion: Shock new poll says Scots set to vote yes to independence [View all]Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)61. Scotland hasn't had the chance to BE better yet, being essentially powerless.
You can't deny though, that the fight against Thatcheris is pretty much hopelessly lost in the UK as a whole.
What it comes down to is this:
Why SHOULD Scotland have to stay in a federation, a vestige of an extinct Empire in fact, in which it will be impossible for progressive, democratic, inclusive values to EVER prevail?
Why should they live, forever, at the mercy of unstoppable Thatcherites in the South of England?
As an American of Scottish ancestry, this sounds like a call to national masochism.
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Shock new poll says Scots set to vote yes to independence [View all]
muriel_volestrangler
Sep 2014
OP
My highland relatives would be ecstatic at this. They were victims of the clearances
roguevalley
Sep 2014
#11
highland clearances were when the rich asses threw everyone into the snow to take there farms for
roguevalley
Sep 2014
#30
The clearances were centuries ago, and North Sea oil revenues are forecast to decline 38% by 2017
Spider Jerusalem
Sep 2014
#31
really? we wanted free from england with less historica impetus. does that apply to us too?
roguevalley
Sep 2014
#96
1880s was very much the tail-end of the Clearances - mainly early 19th century
muriel_volestrangler
Sep 2014
#66
OK-but "centuries ago" implies it was during the Wars of the Roses(or the reign of "Longshanks").
Ken Burch
Sep 2014
#68
No, "centuries ago" implies "more than one" (and I meant "late 1700's-early 1800's).
Spider Jerusalem
Sep 2014
#73
1900 was the last year of the 19th century, not the first year of the 20th century
CBGLuthier
Sep 2014
#126
18th century rural America a month's boat ride from England was slightly different.
DFW
Sep 2014
#67
They deserve to be independent from England. They will have problems but nothing
ballyhoo
Sep 2014
#27
That's definitely where Harry picked up the term, as I believe he was involved with them earlier.
IrishAyes
Sep 2014
#144
That's pretty much what the article in the Minneapolis Star Tribune said today
dflprincess
Sep 2014
#44
Scotland hasn't had the chance to BE better yet, being essentially powerless.
Ken Burch
Sep 2014
#61
That's just simply not true. The Scandinavian countries for example aren't neoliberal
riderinthestorm
Sep 2014
#114
The folks in Eire, The Free Republic of Ireland can tell them all about how truly awesome it is.
Zorra
Sep 2014
#113
The question most up in the air is the currency they'd use, and who'd control it
muriel_volestrangler
Sep 2014
#14
An independent Scotland wouldn't be able to join the EU for at least five years
Spider Jerusalem
Sep 2014
#32
It's also possible that the EU could declare that the admission as part of the UK
Ken Burch
Sep 2014
#45
i am more shocked by how polite this whole thing has been. at its worst, it was still better than
La Lioness Priyanka
Sep 2014
#6
Go, Scotland. But the states? Scotland didn't choose to be part of the UK and this
roguevalley
Sep 2014
#12
I have no doubt it would be a big mess if individual states decided to leave the union.
Kalidurga
Sep 2014
#13
Made in Scotland: Album celebrates nation's music ahead of independence referendum
bananas
Sep 2014
#48
the Scots will quickly find that most of Salmond's arguments were hollow, if "yes" wins
Spider Jerusalem
Sep 2014
#15
The answer would be for Labour to finally do the sane thing and support proportional representation.
Ken Burch
Sep 2014
#37
At the moment, a party to the right of the Tories - UKIP - is getting very popular
muriel_volestrangler
Sep 2014
#90
Problem is, any concessions Westminster could offer would mean diluting Thatcherism.
Ken Burch
Sep 2014
#38
As someone once put it, "Her Majesty's a pretty nice girl, but she doesn't have a lot to say." n/t.
Ken Burch
Sep 2014
#39
Well, the 60+ age group responded at above-avarage levels in the YouGov survey
muriel_volestrangler
Sep 2014
#101
YouGov is a joke pollster. They've been horrible in every American election
BluegrassDem
Sep 2014
#60
UK Tory government blinks: New powers for Scotland if voters say No to independence.
pampango
Sep 2014
#125
The only people who would benefit from the split are those who are already wealthy.
Nihil
Sep 2014
#134
I know he's right!How can Scotland do this without a currency controlled by your government?
CTyankee
Sep 2014
#139