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These geniuses we'll learn fast enough what it means to be "independent" Helen Borg Sep 2014 #1
Hmmmmmmmm Dyedinthewoolliberal Sep 2014 #4
well look a t tax revenue from Scotland compared to expenditure in it. whatthehey Sep 2014 #129
why? most countries are independent and the scots are wealthy La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #5
If they vote yes, they'll need every pound of it. DFW Sep 2014 #8
My highland relatives would be ecstatic at this. They were victims of the clearances roguevalley Sep 2014 #11
Clearences? Helen Borg Sep 2014 #29
highland clearances were when the rich asses threw everyone into the snow to take there farms for roguevalley Sep 2014 #30
The clearances were centuries ago, and North Sea oil revenues are forecast to decline 38% by 2017 Spider Jerusalem Sep 2014 #31
perhaps but the past is prologue. human desire to be free is universal. roguevalley Sep 2014 #50
Free from what?? Helen Borg Sep 2014 #57
Free from. sendero Sep 2014 #79
If they have Starbucks and shopping malls... Helen Borg Sep 2014 #81
Good Morning, little miss sunshine! txwhitedove Sep 2014 #91
Which the Scots can't fight against if they stay in the UK. n/t. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #119
Perhaps... However, my bet is... Helen Borg Sep 2014 #121
Probably, in some cases. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #123
Oh, you mean the makers not the takers, Miss Romney? BillZBubb Sep 2014 #151
Please define Dyedinthewoolliberal Sep 2014 #131
really? we wanted free from england with less historica impetus. does that apply to us too? roguevalley Sep 2014 #96
That was a long distance relationship. It was bound to end. Helen Borg Sep 2014 #97
British brutality towards the Irish hasn't faded from our memory riderinthestorm Sep 2014 #112
The Clearances were in the 1880's...130 years is not "centuries ago". Ken Burch Sep 2014 #62
1880s was very much the tail-end of the Clearances - mainly early 19th century muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #66
OK-but "centuries ago" implies it was during the Wars of the Roses(or the reign of "Longshanks"). Ken Burch Sep 2014 #68
No, "centuries ago" implies "more than one" (and I meant "late 1700's-early 1800's). Spider Jerusalem Sep 2014 #73
LOL tabasco Sep 2014 #108
Someone can't math, apparently Spider Jerusalem Sep 2014 #110
Near enough to be in living historical memory. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #118
'Living'? No-one has a living memory from the 19th century now muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #120
living in the sense of being fresh in the consciousness. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #122
1900 was the last year of the 19th century, not the first year of the 20th century CBGLuthier Sep 2014 #126
A 'basic fact' that has long been disputed muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #127
ObviousLy... For matters of this importance... Helen Borg Sep 2014 #23
All sides there agreed that 50% +1 vote would be enough. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #69
We split off from the UK with less than 50% support. former9thward Sep 2014 #35
18th century rural America a month's boat ride from England was slightly different. DFW Sep 2014 #67
Well said... Helen Borg Sep 2014 #95
That would be a great subject to poll on DFW Sep 2014 #106
where did you get that data from? happyslug Sep 2014 #115
Those things are never obvious. former9thward Sep 2014 #116
I think they'll do just fine NV Whino Sep 2014 #9
They deserve to be independent from England. They will have problems but nothing ballyhoo Sep 2014 #27
England will save a lot of money too... Helen Borg Sep 2014 #58
Then whats the problem? jamzrockz Sep 2014 #83
England is not the problem... Helen Borg Sep 2014 #84
England IS the problem, first and foremost! IrishAyes Sep 2014 #105
Southeast English Thatcherism is the precise problem. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #124
Sometimes the pot that simmers longest boils over suddenly. IrishAyes Sep 2014 #136
True. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #140
That's definitely where Harry picked up the term, as I believe he was involved with them earlier. IrishAyes Sep 2014 #144
It will mean finally having the chance to be free of Thatcherism. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #36
That's pretty much what the article in the Minneapolis Star Tribune said today dflprincess Sep 2014 #44
Dunno, Scotland does not seem better Helen Borg Sep 2014 #59
Scotland hasn't had the chance to BE better yet, being essentially powerless. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #61
This is where I disagree with you... Helen Borg Sep 2014 #111
That's just simply not true. The Scandinavian countries for example aren't neoliberal riderinthestorm Sep 2014 #114
Yup, this isn't really about burning historical grudges FarrenH Sep 2014 #74
What is your interest in this? Ken Burch Sep 2014 #63
I bet more than one plantation owner said that in 1865. n/t jtuck004 Sep 2014 #64
Rich will get richer and poor will get poorer. Just like in the U.S. nt valerief Sep 2014 #94
This message was self-deleted by its author Kablooie Sep 2014 #102
Rumblings started when revenue from the North Sea oilfields Warpy Sep 2014 #109
The folks in Eire, The Free Republic of Ireland can tell them all about how truly awesome it is. Zorra Sep 2014 #113
I really don't see a problem here. Keefer Sep 2014 #2
The question most up in the air is the currency they'd use, and who'd control it muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #14
They'd be off the EU, I'm afraid. Helen Borg Sep 2014 #24
An independent Scotland wouldn't be able to join the EU for at least five years Spider Jerusalem Sep 2014 #32
It's also possible that the EU could declare that the admission as part of the UK Ken Burch Sep 2014 #45
New country, back to the queue, I'm afraid Helen Borg Sep 2014 #56
No, it's not possible. Spider Jerusalem Sep 2014 #76
Just disappointed JK Rowling PatrynXX Sep 2014 #3
i am more shocked by how polite this whole thing has been. at its worst, it was still better than La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #6
The Kochs don't live in Scotland n/t DFW Sep 2014 #10
Amen! dawn frenzy adams Sep 2014 #17
We're just lucky Donald Trump hasn't used his part-Scottish ancestry Ken Burch Sep 2014 #46
Uh, not so much.. whathehell Sep 2014 #82
FREE SCOTLAND Kalidurga Sep 2014 #7
Go, Scotland. But the states? Scotland didn't choose to be part of the UK and this roguevalley Sep 2014 #12
I have no doubt it would be a big mess if individual states decided to leave the union. Kalidurga Sep 2014 #13
They did choose to be part of the UK, in theory at least muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #16
Why? Because it was in the interest of the Scots upper classes to do so. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #47
Made in Scotland: Album celebrates nation's music ahead of independence referendum bananas Sep 2014 #48
the Scots will quickly find that most of Salmond's arguments were hollow, if "yes" wins Spider Jerusalem Sep 2014 #15
They may well keep the pound FarrenH Sep 2014 #75
It's not something they can do if they want to join the EU. Spider Jerusalem Sep 2014 #77
Interesting FarrenH Sep 2014 #87
Except... Spider Jerusalem Sep 2014 #89
Well, yes FarrenH Sep 2014 #92
County to Send Anti-Federal Message by Horseback! elleng Sep 2014 #18
Wrong thread? muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #19
No, not wrong thread. elleng Sep 2014 #20
Wouldn't this mean permanent Torry rule in the UK? iandhr Sep 2014 #21
It would certainly increase the chances of Tory governments muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #22
The answer would be for Labour to finally do the sane thing and support proportional representation. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #37
First past the post benefits Labour more at the moment muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #70
If the English want Tory rule... sendero Sep 2014 #80
We don't want to suffer the consequences Prophet 451 Sep 2014 #86
So a whole country .. sendero Sep 2014 #88
At the moment, a party to the right of the Tories - UKIP - is getting very popular muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #90
It will never happen cosmicone Sep 2014 #25
Only if you define 'immigrant' as 'not born in Scotland' muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #71
Thanks for the statistics cosmicone Sep 2014 #93
I haven't been following it as closely as I should. mac56 Sep 2014 #26
Problem is, any concessions Westminster could offer would mean diluting Thatcherism. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #38
I hope they stay but best wishes to them. hrmjustin Sep 2014 #28
It's a good thing Scotland is crappy tank country . . . another_liberal Sep 2014 #33
I'm just shocked you haven't accused the Yes movement Blue_Tires Sep 2014 #142
Really? another_liberal Sep 2014 #143
queen enid602 Sep 2014 #34
As someone once put it, "Her Majesty's a pretty nice girl, but she doesn't have a lot to say." n/t. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #39
Would the blue be removed from the Union Jack if this goes through? (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2014 #40
Yes shaayecanaan Sep 2014 #43
That's the St George's cross plus the Saint Patrick's Saltire. Turborama Sep 2014 #52
Yes, as I just pointed out in my post shaayecanaan Sep 2014 #55
It's shite being Scottish! Adenoid_Hynkel Sep 2014 #41
Still very unlikely it will go through... shaayecanaan Sep 2014 #42
Yes Scotland Scottish weather forecaster loses it live on air Turborama Sep 2014 #49
That is very good. Tthank you.n/t jtuck004 Sep 2014 #65
Excluding the "don't knows?" I wonder how many of those there are? MADem Sep 2014 #51
YouGov was 47% Yes, 45% No, 8% Don't Know muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #72
And isn't their polling internet based? MADem Sep 2014 #98
Panelbase is internet-based too (nt) muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #99
It is hard to know how solid any of this reporting is. MADem Sep 2014 #100
Well, the 60+ age group responded at above-avarage levels in the YouGov survey muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #101
We'll know soon enough--I'm very interested to hear the outcome. nt MADem Sep 2014 #104
Isn't the Bush family involved with the Bank of Scotland? grasswire Sep 2014 #53
If It's Not Scottish, It's Crap!!! U4ikLefty Sep 2014 #54
YouGov is a joke pollster. They've been horrible in every American election BluegrassDem Sep 2014 #60
A subsequent poll (Panelbase) suggests a narrow majority for No LeftishBrit Sep 2014 #78
I think it would be a mistake Prophet 451 Sep 2014 #85
I'll bet Sean Connery is excited. Kablooie Sep 2014 #103
He cares so much about Scotland that he lives in the Bahamas. Spider Jerusalem Sep 2014 #117
Cornwall is feeling its oats as well flamingdem Sep 2014 #107
UK Tory government blinks: New powers for Scotland if voters say No to independence. pampango Sep 2014 #125
Maybe it's time we give Red States the option to vote on their independence 3rdwaydem Sep 2014 #128
In this case it's more like the blue states La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #130
In any event, we should wash our hands of them 3rdwaydem Sep 2014 #132
Dave's pretty upset Bosonic Sep 2014 #133
The only people who would benefit from the split are those who are already wealthy. Nihil Sep 2014 #134
See Krugman's take. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #135
I know he's right!How can Scotland do this without a currency controlled by your government? CTyankee Sep 2014 #139
New poll: another statistical tie muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #137
The TNS poll has a huge undecided percentage DavidDvorkin Sep 2014 #138
Latest (phone) poll from ICM: Yes 49%, No 51% muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #141
Go Scotland! I blow my nose on you English pig dogs! Baclava Sep 2014 #145
Well, that's a pleasant way to introduce yourself muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #146
...another of the Queen's lackeys? - "Scotland forever!" Baclava Sep 2014 #147
Mel Gibson? muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #148
William Wallace Baclava Sep 2014 #149
William Wallace eh? Most people really know nothing about him. Adrahil Sep 2014 #150
The betting odds strongly indicate the "NO" side will prevail. BillZBubb Sep 2014 #152
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