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In reply to the discussion: MH17 crash: Dutch experts say numerous objects hit plane [View all]pampango
(24,692 posts)29. Could be. The evidence of whether it was cannon fire or an exploding missile warhead may be resting
in a field in eastern Ukraine.
'High-energy objects' brought the flight down
The fuselage was pierced from the outside by large numbers of "high-energy objects". The cockpit seems to have been particularly badly hit, above the level of the cockpit floor. The DSB (Dutch Safety Board) investigators have not been able to recover or study any of the objects that penetrated the plane. The report does not speculate on the origin or nature of the objects, but the findings would be consistent with a fragmentation warhead, like the one carried by the Buk anti-aircraft missile, most widely thought to have been involved in the shooting down of the plane.
...the investigation has so far been a remote one. DSB investigators have not been able to visit the crash site for a forensic examination because their safety could not be guaranteed in a conflict zone largely under rebel control.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/09/mh17-five-things-dutch-safety-board-report
The fuselage was pierced from the outside by large numbers of "high-energy objects". The cockpit seems to have been particularly badly hit, above the level of the cockpit floor. The DSB (Dutch Safety Board) investigators have not been able to recover or study any of the objects that penetrated the plane. The report does not speculate on the origin or nature of the objects, but the findings would be consistent with a fragmentation warhead, like the one carried by the Buk anti-aircraft missile, most widely thought to have been involved in the shooting down of the plane.
...the investigation has so far been a remote one. DSB investigators have not been able to visit the crash site for a forensic examination because their safety could not be guaranteed in a conflict zone largely under rebel control.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/09/mh17-five-things-dutch-safety-board-report
With the current ceasefire in effect, this should be a good time for DSB investigators to visit the crash site and see if they can recover any of "the objects that penetrated the plane". That should go a long way towards answering the question of what it was that 'penetrated the plane'.
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No more and no less than you already know the Ukrainian Air Force did it...
LanternWaste
Sep 2014
#84
Could be. The evidence of whether it was cannon fire or an exploding missile warhead may be resting
pampango
Sep 2014
#29
No, air to air missiles use proximity warheads to explode near the target to destroy it.
happyslug
Sep 2014
#35
Why argue now about something that esoteric and open to interrpretation . . .
another_liberal
Sep 2014
#53
But it's necessary to ramp up the public's emotions against Russia NOW!
another_liberal
Sep 2014
#20
It supports the general theory that a ground-to-air missile hit it
muriel_volestrangler
Sep 2014
#45
Or if one side were somehow supplied a Buk system from one of those countries.
Tommy_Carcetti
Sep 2014
#75
So the rebels were lying when they claimed to shoot down Ukrainian fighters? (nt)
jeff47
Sep 2014
#68
It is NOT editorializing to report what the report says AND to add that it is consistent with
karynnj
Sep 2014
#87
It is ridiculous - and the reason is that you are being very simplistic and are holding onto RT lies
karynnj
Sep 2014
#89