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JDPriestly

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10. Here is my problem with this law.
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 01:38 PM
Apr 2012

The law permitting force in self-defense uses the term "reasonably believes." The law has established a test for reasonableness which more or less what a reasonable person would do under similar circumstances. Normally, it is the job of the jury (or at least a court) to apply that test objectively and determine what is "reasonable."

The Florida law granting immunity to a person exercising self-defense under Section 776.012 doesn't say whether it is changing or doing away with the test of reasonableness or maybe permitting whoever survives a claimed killing in self-defense to subjectively apply the test.

That is why the law cannot work. It could, under certain circumstances, simply permit a criminal to decide he was reasonably afraid for his life and walk away without so much as a trial or an arrest. Yet, very often that issue of reasonableness needs to be decided by a jury -- as in the Zimmerman case.

776.012 Use of force in defense of person.—A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:
(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or
(2) Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013.
History.—s. 13, ch. 74-383; s. 1188, ch. 97-102; s. 2, ch. 2005-27.

776.032 Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.—
(1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.
(2) A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful.
(3) The court shall award reasonable attorney’s fees, court costs, compensation for loss of income, and all expenses incurred by the defendant in defense of any civil action brought by a plaintiff if the court finds that the defendant is immune from prosecution as provided in subsection (1).
History.—s. 4, ch. 2005-27.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0776/0776.html

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Now. Not later. no_hypocrisy Apr 2012 #1
Stand Your Ground is as responsible for this murder as Zimmerman is. onehandle Apr 2012 #2
It's an election year. Baitball Blogger Apr 2012 #3
maybe more so george the killer may not have felt so enabled to kill w/o this law leftyohiolib Apr 2012 #27
Good Johnson20 Apr 2012 #4
No. This law needs to be changed before yet another fool JDPriestly Apr 2012 #11
I think you misunderstand the basic problem ObamaFTW2012 Apr 2012 #35
Really? bongbong Apr 2012 #36
Please cite specific cases. ObamaFTW2012 Apr 2012 #41
Here ya go bongbong Apr 2012 #45
Hurray for you! ObamaFTW2012 Apr 2012 #51
Self-defense is a defense. JDPriestly Apr 2012 #48
Now there's a reasonable position ObamaFTW2012 Apr 2012 #53
Rick Scott is not a Governor DonCoquixote Apr 2012 #5
Rick Scott is not a Human onehandle Apr 2012 #6
holey socks..that scared me florida08 Apr 2012 #13
Trayvon may have been 17 years old. jonthebru Apr 2012 #7
Blaming the victim bongbong Apr 2012 #16
What do you think NOLALady Apr 2012 #34
This law should have never been passed to begin with. Harriety Apr 2012 #8
If what I have heard so far is correct, ObamaFTW2012 Apr 2012 #9
The Tampa Bay Times has recently reported on several instances where an armed person HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #14
I agree ObamaFTW2012 Apr 2012 #15
Huh? bongbong Apr 2012 #17
Come on now ObamaFTW2012 Apr 2012 #30
COme on is right bongbong Apr 2012 #37
Please cite specific cases. ObamaFTW2012 Apr 2012 #42
H-I-L-A-R-I-O-U-S bongbong Apr 2012 #46
Does a Democratic person who introduces SYG legislation satisfy your requirement... -..__... Apr 2012 #49
Here we go again bongbong Apr 2012 #50
so you believe in the way it is supposed to work? chknltl Apr 2012 #26
There isn't enough time left in my day to address all that is wrong with society and our government ObamaFTW2012 Apr 2012 #32
Presented, not written zipplewrath Apr 2012 #29
Under what model ObamaFTW2012 Apr 2012 #33
Look harder bongbong Apr 2012 #38
Show me. ObamaFTW2012 Apr 2012 #43
OK bongbong Apr 2012 #47
I didn't ask for directions. ObamaFTW2012 Apr 2012 #52
The NRA dreams them up zipplewrath Apr 2012 #44
Exactly, That's the scarey part of things. It's crazy. Ecumenist Apr 2012 #20
You are correct the that SYG is not applicable ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #25
Here is my problem with this law. JDPriestly Apr 2012 #10
I'll have to remember that d_legendary1 Apr 2012 #23
You are missing several key points ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #24
Nothing is going to happened Iliyah Apr 2012 #12
Rename SYG bongbong Apr 2012 #18
I've been calling it Randomthought Apr 2012 #19
Prior post in GD ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #21
I see this as PR for the state senator who is up for election this year ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #22
if trayvon's death stops this law or changes it enough to stop further murders then perhaps he'll leftyohiolib Apr 2012 #28
Here comes DU's mouthy gun enthusiasts Kolesar Apr 2012 #31
ain't that the truth! bongbong Apr 2012 #39
Let's get the task force to review 'conceal and carry' law, while they're at it. ancianita Apr 2012 #40
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