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Shivering Jemmy

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85. Don't care. Not my point.

Wed Sep 10, 2014, 06:19 PM

Sep 2014

Court will decide whether board approval is pro forma or not.

But from a free speech perspective issue not clear. This is not a private employer.

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Rejected Professor Salaita Wants U. of I. Job or Else He'll Sue [View all] Hissyspit Sep 2014 OP

His job offer was rescinded after he criticized Israel during Protective Edge this summer azurnoir Sep 2014 #1

He must have missed the warning that yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #6

I think the Bill of Rights first amendment comes into play here azurnoir Sep 2014 #21

First Amendment has nothing to do with this. dbackjon Sep 2014 #28

It has everything to do with this azurnoir Sep 2014 #47

Then you do not stand the point of the First Amendment or what it protects dbackjon Sep 2014 #50

why did Wise refuse to allow his hiring before the trustees if she was sure he'd be refused? azurnoir Sep 2014 #51

Again, that has ZERO to do with the First Amendment dbackjon Sep 2014 #70

well you're entitled to your opinion but Salaita's lawyers and azurnoir Sep 2014 #71

And they are wrong dbackjon Sep 2014 #73

so you know better than the Center for Constitutional Rights? azurnoir Sep 2014 #74

Just because someone claims to be an expert doesn't make it so dbackjon Sep 2014 #80

well somethings are pretty clear here I'll give you that :) azurnoir Sep 2014 #81

I teed that one up for you - as I was typing that I figured that would be your response ;) dbackjon Sep 2014 #82

We have to be VERY careful here..... Adrahil Sep 2014 #77

His lawyers seem to differ on that n/t azurnoir Sep 2014 #79

More over azurnoir Sep 2014 #49

Nope. Bad Wolf Sep 2014 #34

State school. Governmental entity. Shivering Jemmy Sep 2014 #35

He didn't even start yet yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #36

Not if you're hired with tenure alcibiades_mystery Sep 2014 #42

The 90 day rule depends on the contract. happyslug Sep 2014 #43

His contract was not "at will," but "indefinite tenure" (i.e., a tenured appointment) alcibiades_mystery Sep 2014 #45

Thank you n/t azurnoir Sep 2014 #48

I thought I discussed those points at the end of my comments. happyslug Sep 2014 #67

Yes, you did...I wasn't correcting you! alcibiades_mystery Sep 2014 #69

I can't get to the original article. Was he hired WITH tenure, or to a tenure track job? Also.... Adrahil Sep 2014 #83

He was hired with tenure alcibiades_mystery Sep 2014 #84

Roger that, thanks! Adrahil Sep 2014 #88

Don't care. Not my point. Shivering Jemmy Sep 2014 #85

Congress shall make no law...prohibiting or abridging freedom of speech Doctor_J Sep 2014 #41

The First Amendment says "Congress" but applies to the states as well. Jim Lane Sep 2014 #57

At least Illinois statutes exclude schools like U of I ChairmanAgnostic Sep 2014 #76

The first amendment does not guarantee a government job. Adrahil Sep 2014 #78

He was under probation too yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #37

All that means is his previous employer pays his unemployment. happyslug Sep 2014 #68

I live in the area, Rincewind Sep 2014 #52

This isn't a first amendment issue leftynyc Sep 2014 #58

Yes, it is a First Amendment issue -- because his employer is the government Jim Lane Sep 2014 #62

Professors DON'T get tenured leftynyc Sep 2014 #63

They can deny tenure for a host of legitimate reasons.... Jim Lane Sep 2014 #72

Thanks for your response leftynyc Sep 2014 #75

I read your #57 comment leftynyc Sep 2014 #64

I always find that suing your employer is a great way to advance your career bluestateguy Sep 2014 #2

Yeah, you should never stand up for what is right. Hissyspit Sep 2014 #3

He did stand up for his rights yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #7

Do what's right leftynyc Sep 2014 #59

excerpts of some of his tweets on HuffPo tomm2thumbs Sep 2014 #4

He's not wrong in any of them. alarimer Sep 2014 #8

Exactly so, he's 100% correct. lululu Sep 2014 #12

Sorry, but I don't liberalhistorian Sep 2014 #10

If the university feels leftynyc Sep 2014 #60

Post removed Post removed Sep 2014 #86

He supports terrorism. former9thward Sep 2014 #5

Criticizing Israel does not equate to terrorism. alarimer Sep 2014 #9

He supports the murder of all Jews in the West Bank. former9thward Sep 2014 #15

That's the one that crossed the line for me dbackjon Sep 2014 #29

I could not find the comment (tweet?) to which you refer... xocet Sep 2014 #38

From Post #1 former9thward Sep 2014 #44

Thank you for your reply. n/t xocet Sep 2014 #46

The real terrorism is Israel's liberalhistorian Sep 2014 #11

Blind hatred of Israel is the problem -- no matter what it does. former9thward Sep 2014 #16

This message was self-deleted by its author Hissyspit Sep 2014 #56

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2014 #87

Sure, it's the same as firing all the professors that supported torture by the CIA OutNow Sep 2014 #13

I don't know what the Iraq war has to do with the U of I. former9thward Sep 2014 #20

The U of I is a university funded by the state. OutNow Sep 2014 #24

There are no similarities. former9thward Sep 2014 #26

You're wrong, former9thward lululu Sep 2014 #14

He is calling for the murder of Jews on the West Bank. former9thward Sep 2014 #19

Utter bullshit. Hissyspit Sep 2014 #31

Thoughtful reply. former9thward Sep 2014 #33

Your post got the reply it deserved. Hissyspit Sep 2014 #54

Professor Salaita is represented by the Center for Constitutional Rights OutNow Sep 2014 #17

He never had the job. former9thward Sep 2014 #18

I think you may be correct tomm2thumbs Sep 2014 #22

Agreed. Sad though but thats the way things are. nt cstanleytech Sep 2014 #23

Maybe, maybe not. It's an interesting case. Xithras Sep 2014 #25

You admit a private company could withdraw the offer. former9thward Sep 2014 #27

Nope, you misread my post. Xithras Sep 2014 #32

You Might be right if the following wasn't part of it yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #39

That doesn't negate his First Amendment claim. Jim Lane Sep 2014 #61

It will be much more complex than the people (even lawyers) here are making it out to be alcibiades_mystery Sep 2014 #65

They can't get him his job back, Rincewind Sep 2014 #53

His Tweets didn't say that. Hissyspit Sep 2014 #55

He called for the murder of all Jews on the West Bank. former9thward Sep 2014 #66

Great analysis ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #30

seems to me, the rich and powerful are acting more and more in an immoral fashion whereisjustice Sep 2014 #40