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karynnj

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17. Obama/Kerry did not say who should be in the government -- they
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 08:22 AM
Sep 2014

said that they would not help them if they did not form a unity government. Note that theoretically, Maliki could have done so himself. In reality, he couldn't as he had alienated all the non Kurds.

The Iraqi government has elections, and then the President asks the person, who has the best chance to form a government with at lest 50% of the members behind it. The President, a Kurd, picked the current Prime Minister, because there was a coalition of parties - equally more than 50% behind him. Maliki argued that because he had the plurality (something in the 30s) he should have first chance. Note that Israel, with a similar structure, did essentially the same thing when Livni had more votes than Netanyahu, but given where the other votes were - it was likely true that Netanyahu had a better chance to gather the number of MK needed. President Peres was to the left of Netanyahu.

When Kerry was in Iraq in June, he very carefully saw EVERY possible leader and did not indicate any favorite. The only American comments that referred to any leader were those that accurately spoke of Maliki having marginalized both the Sunnis and Kurds.

So, the strongest case you could make is that because Iraq wanted (or needed) the US military assistance, they saw that anyone but Maliki would be a better choice - which would have encouraged them to consider coalitions that would exceed 50% without Maliki. However, it seems fair for the US to be able to say that if there is NO unity government, they will not fight ISIS on Iraq's behalf - when they do not think that would work as there would be no local forces to backfill any areas where air strikes and the Iraqi army on the ground move ISIS out.

Yesterday, there was an article that spoke of how the new government - as part of its military - was planning to recruit Sunnis into local (by towns, tribes) in national guard type organizations that could take the lead in their own areas. They would have government salary and pensions. This would be a "regularized" version of the Sunni awakening where the US paid the tribes informally. The ambitious attempt here is to have a unity government that does not marginalize non Shiites, where the people they see defending them are theirs.

As bad as things are, a solution seemed even less likely last June when Obama first spoke of this US effort. One thing that annoys me is that many pundits on the left (especially Hayes and Maddow) are saying that it was the beheadings that led to this as foreign policy. However, there is nothing that could be called a change from Obama saying in June what he intended to do. That was when US troops were sent back in, when the air strikes were spoken of, when Kerry was first sent to the region (including Iraq itself) and to EU. What DID change was the level of outrage and the level of American support --- and the interest level of pundits.

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We've been there, and we've done that . . . another_liberal Sep 2014 #1
You're wrong. The quiet steps taken by Kerry the past 18mo have been giant ones. blm Sep 2014 #2
If it's "their fight" . . . another_liberal Sep 2014 #3
We were STUCK with it - Kerry's doing what needs to be done to UNSTICK us blm Sep 2014 #4
"Getting Maliki out of office" former9thward Sep 2014 #9
Iraq is not our country . . . another_liberal Sep 2014 #15
That is exactly what Kerry is working to prevent and YOU don't WANT to see it. blm Sep 2014 #16
"This administration isn't lying us into a war for oil . . ." another_liberal Sep 2014 #22
Obama/Kerry did not say who should be in the government -- they karynnj Sep 2014 #17
Lets not be naive . . . another_liberal Sep 2014 #21
Odd that I saw nothing from you criticizing any of the "help" Putin gave to the karynnj Sep 2014 #5
I thought that side of the street was being worked already . . . another_liberal Sep 2014 #7
And I hear Denmark occasionally smells. blm Sep 2014 #24
That's what Shakespeare said . . . another_liberal Sep 2014 #27
Who would you recommend? karynnj Sep 2014 #6
Like I've said on several occasions . . . another_liberal Sep 2014 #8
That was not the question - who should advise the President on foreign affairs? karynnj Sep 2014 #10
No one who is now, for starters . . . another_liberal Sep 2014 #12
Neither could get confirmed by the Senate and I doubt Obama is at all close to their positions. karynnj Sep 2014 #13
Professor Cohen is a very good teacher, an accomplished Russian expert and he is not insane . . . another_liberal Sep 2014 #14
He could be all of those things, and a poor adviser to a President karynnj Sep 2014 #18
It is hard to imagine how our President could possibly get worse advice . . . another_liberal Sep 2014 #19
Chuck Hagel and John Kerry have nothing at all in common with Rumsfeld/Cheney karynnj Sep 2014 #20
Then they are not the President's advisers on Iraq . . . another_liberal Sep 2014 #23
You haven't a clue what has been done and being done to address the blm Sep 2014 #25
Oh, I might have a clue . . . another_liberal Sep 2014 #26
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Sep 2014 #11
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