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happyslug

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54. Most "Cross Country" Rail service is regional service.
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 11:42 PM
Sep 2014

For Example, in my Home State of Pennsylvania, we have the Pennsylvania Train run by Amtrak. It connects Philadelphia to Pittsburgh via the old Pennsylvania Railroad Main line (now run by Norfolk Southern). It is used mostly by people going from one of those cities to someplace in between. This it is more then regional for by connecting two regions its served both regions.

The Capitol Limited does the same between Washington and Chicago, providing service to Frederick Maryland, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Toledo and Chicago AND various small cities in between.

The Cardinal, runs from Washington to Chicago via Charleston and Huntington West Virginia, Cincinnati, Indianapolis and Chicago and various cities in between.

There is a demand for this service, given the price of oil it has increased in recent years.

No one is suggesting high speed rail east and west in the US, for what ever service that would provide Air travel can do it faster and at less cost. It is these "Regional" trains that can go 60-100 mph (if the tracks permit) that people want, so they can pick them up at their local small city and go to another small city on the route OR to a large city. That is the service has been providing since it was formed in the early 1970s.

Yes, people can go from New York City to Los Angles by train, but plane is much faster and you do not have to stop in Chicago for a lay over. On the other hand, most riders are traveling within their region or on a train that goes between two regions (Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, DC, Pittsburgh, Cleveland and Chicago for example).

Many of these routes would be more heavily used if Amtrak could put more then one train a day on these routes. Most people who have studied such routes say you really need at least four trains in one direction each day to have a viable route, but Amtrak has NEVER had the funding to provide such service except in the North East do to budget problems (Amtrak can run the trains, but they do NOT have the trains to run, for example the present Train to Pittsburgh is an old DC to New York City train that Amtrak replaced with its Acela on that route and thus had a "Train" to run to Pittsburgh).

I hate to say this, High Speed Rail is NOT the Answer, what is needed is more trains of the 60-100 mph types, that Amtrak is running today, Congress needs to break down and buy them (i.e. provide the money). These should be on the order of what use to be called "Hoddlebugs" diesel one to two car passenger trains. If you get more passenger then those can handle go to a larger train.

US Railcar (formerly Colorado Railcar) has been pushing for adoption of its cars by Amtrak for over ten years, and Amtrak has supported those efforts. The problem is Congress refuses to embrace the concept that such cars would provide the needed "regional" train service needed. Amtrak can justify improvements in the Northeast Corridor for it is profitable, but if Amtrak wants to improve service elsewhere it needs money to buy the trains needed.

Outside of the Northeast, Amtrak is in many ways in a "Chicken or egg" situation, it needs new trains to increase service so it can get more riders, but it need more riders to pay for the new trains those riders want to ride.

What Amtrak needs to more "Doodlebugs" to provide more frequent service. Here is a picture of a Colorado Railcar 100 passenger rail car:




Here is the single and bi level designs (the bi level can hold over 200 passengers)


More on the Philadelphia to Pittsburgh Corridor:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keystone_Corridor

The problem right now is a refusal to fund these "Doodlebugs" for use as passenger trains with one or two operators (a driver and a Conductor). These trains are design to connect back to back so you can double the passengers with the same crew.

The problem is no one will take the train today, for one train in each direction a day is just NOT usable by most people. Four trains a day would be usable by more people and once the service is established people will use it.

As I said above, it is a Chicken and Egg Situation, people will not take the train for the train service is rare, but the reason it is rare is because no one takes it. You have to provide the service before people will take the service, i.e. you have to have more trains per day and make that permanent (or at least commit to it for a year or two) and then people will slowly start to use it as they become aware of it.

This is what is needed, these smaller trains on "National lines" connecting regions and providing service to those regions. That is what Amtrak has been providing with its "Coast to Coast" trains since the 1970s. Amtrak needs to keep its present rolling stock, for some inter regional travel is best done in a Sleeper, but it should concentrate of the above Doodlebugs to provide more frequent service on most of its "National Lines".

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Need to get rid of the GOP house majority Iliyah Sep 2014 #1
That's no way to run a railroad you morons underpants Sep 2014 #2
I didn't even know Amtrak received tax payer money yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #3
How much are you willing to pay on your plane ticket for Air Traffic control? brooklynite Sep 2014 #9
Look something has to give yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #18
Aren't you the one bragging about fleeing to Florida to....... wolfie001 Sep 2014 #33
We're all sinners I suppose. yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #44
Sorry, didn't mean to call you. wolfie001 Sep 2014 #60
Airlines get subsidies in airport facilities upaloopa Sep 2014 #12
No its not ridiculous charliea Sep 2014 #16
I'm sure "everyone" on FreeRepublic does agree. ForgoTheConsequence Sep 2014 #20
Your gone. I don't have time for childish remarks yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #21
*You're ForgoTheConsequence Sep 2014 #25
Absolutely correct. There IS no debate on that subject. Kingofalldems Sep 2014 #26
And privatizing everything. NT passiveporcupine Sep 2014 #41
Boom. Kingofalldems Sep 2014 #23
How often do you agree with republicans? Kingofalldems Sep 2014 #22
Not at all. Chan790 Sep 2014 #24
If they had their way they would run oil tankers and people together. glinda Sep 2014 #30
Don't give them the idea. Historic NY Sep 2014 #39
All modes of transportation get some subsidies as essential pieces of our national infrastructure. pinto Sep 2014 #34
Disagree completely, actually. /nt October Sep 2014 #52
No-- that is not in fact, the case. LanternWaste Sep 2014 #58
Because the Koch media says so. It's been planned for many years: freshwest Sep 2014 #62
They need more federal funding to develop broader infrastructure for high traffic corridors. Gormy Cuss Sep 2014 #67
Oh boy... Agschmid Jun 2015 #69
The reason there is Amtrak is because upaloopa Sep 2014 #4
good point KurtNYC Sep 2014 #27
They're idiots. SheilaT Sep 2014 #5
Tejana Susana is anti-train? KamaAina Sep 2014 #14
That did not happen under her watch. SheilaT Sep 2014 #56
I was wondering if she'd gutted it KamaAina Sep 2014 #57
Why We Can't Have Nice THings example #9,375 arcane1 Sep 2014 #6
put privatized prison rail cars on amtrak trains, repubs (and many dems) would give $$ for that nt msongs Sep 2014 #7
if they want to cut service to red states, that's what they get CreekDog Sep 2014 #8
Another big hit for Amtrak is Wellstone ruled Sep 2014 #10
WTF, do they want NO passenger rail in the US RoccoR5955 Sep 2014 #11
This Is Just Another Example Of How The Repubs Are Destroying America.... global1 Sep 2014 #13
They want them to take cars=gas/oil. glinda Sep 2014 #31
I had to travel from Austin, TX christx30 Sep 2014 #68
I'm reading this while on... dhill926 Sep 2014 #15
Meanwhile, China spending billions on high speed rail... americannightmare Sep 2014 #17
Not only China, but also South Korea and Japan davidpdx Sep 2014 #64
I understand. I live in Portland... americannightmare Sep 2014 #65
Morans! JCMach1 Sep 2014 #19
I guess planes use more fuel. nt valerief Sep 2014 #28
We're rationally for it BeyondGeography Sep 2014 #29
They (Repugs) want to privatize everything .. look at the Postal Service YOHABLO Sep 2014 #32
Republicans would like to take us all back to the horse-and-buggy times. blkmusclmachine Sep 2014 #35
No surprise. Rail cuts into their oil profits. jillan Sep 2014 #36
No it doesn't...most Amtrak engines run on diesel. brooklynite Sep 2014 #42
As in the words of Roseanna Anna Danna ..... Never mind. jillan Sep 2014 #43
Actually, it does. Picture how much more oil would be needed Thor_MN Sep 2014 #55
Love Amtrak. Sienna86 Sep 2014 #37
This country is so fu*ked up. mnhtnbb Sep 2014 #38
"Cars are so 1%" Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2014 #47
Wouldn't it be nice to get to DC or florida in a shorter period of time. Historic NY Sep 2014 #40
I'm okay with the regional service, but shut the rest down. Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2014 #45
Where's your line on subsidizing all modes on national transport? pinto Sep 2014 #48
Most modes of transportation have a scope in which they make sense Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2014 #49
No doubt. BlueEye Sep 2014 #53
Most "Cross Country" Rail service is regional service. happyslug Sep 2014 #54
Just think how safeinOhio Sep 2014 #46
BTW... Sequestration is still in effect. Hugin Sep 2014 #50
These idiots need to INCREASE subsidies forty percent, and make them contingent upon finding MADem Sep 2014 #51
How else are we going to pay for wars? J_J_ Sep 2014 #59
good move--a couple of reports of global warming being much worse than expected... yurbud Sep 2014 #61
"Northeastern U.S. routes, which are the most profitable" wordpix Sep 2014 #63
Dear Congressperson Omaha Steve Sep 2014 #66
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