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Orrex

(67,116 posts)
51. I'm not making it "all about me"
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 07:10 PM
Apr 2012

Unless you think that I'm personally carrying $1T in student loan debt. Apparently all of those thousands of individuals are lazy and irresponsible, so fuck 'em because they deserve what they get.

Do you accept that predatory lenders and hard-charging colleges bear no responsibility for this debacle? The entirety of the situation weighs on the backs of those former 18-year-olds who lacked your atypical economic foresight and guidance?

You realize you are trying to defend people that you claim blindly followed slogans without looking into it.

On the contrary, I'm asserting--correctly--that young and vulnerable high school students were steered awry by people that they should have been able to trust--guidance counselors and parents and educators, not to mention the predatory lenders and universities eager to scoop up barrels of cash and to hell with the value of the degree offered in return. Nope. None of these people are at fault--the ill-advised 18-year-old is solely and exclusively responsible.

Any school that has exaggerated the earning/employability potential of its degrees bears responsibility for the mountain of loan debt. Any lender that has misrepresented the ease of repayment bears responsibility.

If I'd accidentally killed someone on the same date that I signed my student loans, it's likely that I would already have fulfilled my debt to society, but you seem to think that the ill-advised stroke of a pen is worthy of a lifetime of economic suffering.


Your smug and self-righteous attitude frankly disgusts me.

By the way, do you read every word of every user's agreement agreement that you click to accept? Did you read every word of your cellphone agreement? Did you read every word of DU's terms of service? If you claim yes to all of these, I simply don't believe you, and we can conclude this discussion.

Further, we're not even talking about the mortgage that you read from cover to cover--which I also don't believe--we're talking about a loan that is uniquely inescapable for no good reason at all. Let student loan debt be subject to bankruptcy, and then we can talk about their equivalency to other debt instruments.


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another result NJCher Apr 2012 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author xzwq Apr 2012 #13
A big part of this is "predatory institutions" ... SomeGuyInEagan Apr 2012 #36
This whole economic mess is the fault of students and their... Gibby Apr 2012 #2
Nothing wrong with education--that's not the point of the article Orrex Apr 2012 #4
Well said... BB_Troll Apr 2012 #7
Which ones are those? lunatica Apr 2012 #9
I don't think that was the intent of the post Orrex Apr 2012 #24
Some bachelors degrees are worth more than others on the day after graduation. BB_Troll Apr 2012 #28
"Degrees in most humanities do not pay for themselves." Nihil Apr 2012 #58
"This is necessary in order to balance out... " BB_Troll Apr 2012 #59
Not inescapable SATIRical Apr 2012 #34
Commendable, but not really relevant Orrex Apr 2012 #39
It's not rare SATIRical Apr 2012 #41
Yes, deceived. In some cases, at least. SomeGuyInEagan Apr 2012 #44
Spoken like someone who hasn't had to deal with student loans in any real way Orrex Apr 2012 #45
So an 18-year-old doesn't understand how much $50,000 is? SATIRical Apr 2012 #46
Right, and your situation defines everyone else's Orrex Apr 2012 #47
OK, since you want to make it all about you SATIRical Apr 2012 #49
I'm not making it "all about me" Orrex Apr 2012 #51
If reading the loan document and terms is atypical SATIRical Apr 2012 #52
You can stuff your assumptions up your self-righteousness Orrex Apr 2012 #53
"adults have to take responsibility for their decisions" limpyhobbler Apr 2012 #56
Why do are student loans permitted to accrue interest? Orrex Apr 2012 #3
That's a good question. sybylla Apr 2012 #32
People often ask me why I hesitate davidthegnome Apr 2012 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author xzwq Apr 2012 #14
I'm glad I didn't hesitate to go. JoePhilly Apr 2012 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author xzwq Apr 2012 #18
Pay as you go. laundry_queen Apr 2012 #30
That is what I'm doing. Odin2005 Apr 2012 #37
Yep, that's smart (nt) SATIRical Apr 2012 #42
Du rec. Nt xchrom Apr 2012 #6
I don't understand this part Owlet Apr 2012 #8
If the debt to the student is discharged dipsydoodle Apr 2012 #10
Just because the debt is non-dischargeable, it doesn't mean you can pay. Yo_Mama Apr 2012 #23
Short answer - taxpayer is guaranteeing the debts Yo_Mama Apr 2012 #25
I have had clients on Social Security Disability, subject to Student loans collections happyslug Apr 2012 #31
I am starting to have doubts that you went to "collage". nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #33
Collage?College?It is a sign of a lack of education if you can only spell a word one way, S. Johnson happyslug Apr 2012 #40
Clever! NJCher Apr 2012 #55
I have to watch Does not and Trail/Trial happyslug Apr 2012 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author xzwq Apr 2012 #11
Tom Raum is little more than a Republican mouthpiece shawn703 Apr 2012 #12
Republicans talk down a college education so that their base ... JoePhilly Apr 2012 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author xzwq Apr 2012 #21
Oh, but bailing out wall street was just pocket change. Quantess Apr 2012 #16
this part *really* pisses me off magical thyme Apr 2012 #19
I don't blame you for being p.o. What were you trained for? PM me if you want. nt raccoon Apr 2012 #22
This isn't the student's fault anymore than it was the homeowners fault during the last crash. fasttense Apr 2012 #20
Thanks fasttense. Yes, it's starting all over again...blame the victim... truth2power Apr 2012 #26
And the government just out-sourced the enlightenment Apr 2012 #27
The very first sentence is a lie. It was never a good idea, it was a sop Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #29
"Nothing screws up a common good as well as turning it into a profit center." Damn! SomeGuyInEagan Apr 2012 #35
By all means, We should burn that into the brains of every single person on earth. n/t Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #43
The end of the "Reagan Revolution" begins here. hunter Apr 2012 #38
Free. the. students!! Declare a jubilee for student debt. patrice Apr 2012 #48
That would include me... and-justice-for-all Apr 2012 #50
They will take your student loan out of your Social Security. That is not a joke. Manifestor_of_Light Apr 2012 #54
I wish somebody could turn student loan forgiveness into a political issue. limpyhobbler Apr 2012 #57
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