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31. Relying on the AUMF for this is extremely controversial.

Fri Sep 12, 2014, 10:55 PM

Sep 2014

The nation would be best served if the President would ask Congress for a declaration of war for this operation separately, even if the vote isn't taken until the lame duck session. I'm quite sure that the President and his legal advisers know just how thin a cover AUMF is for this operation. Even the President's reliance on the emergency powers in the War Powers Act is very, very thin because under that act, action is not permitted unless there is an imminent threat to the US. ISIL/ISIS is a nasty business, but there have not been any admissions that those individuals are now hatching a plot to attack the US. There is a considerable speculation that a radicalized American or a radicalized citizen of a nation whose citizens may visit here at will with no visa, like your lovely Canada, may at some time hatch such a plot, but that is speculation only.

In this case the AUMF is a sled whizzing down a very slippery slope.

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White House makes it official : US 'at war' with IS [View all] candelista Sep 2014 OP

How "Nobel" of them. n/t Psephos Sep 2014 #1

Why is everyone so obsessed with that word, "war"? George II Sep 2014 #2

Because it carries a lot of freight. candelista Sep 2014 #3

I think you're wrong GP6971 Sep 2014 #5

Correct....horrible to compare but ~400K in WWII, "only" 35K in Korea, but the point is.... George II Sep 2014 #17

Agree. n/t GP6971 Sep 2014 #35

What?????? yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #6

I stand (stood?) corrected, 400K in WWII, 35K in Korea, but Korea was never considered a "war"! George II Sep 2014 #18

It was, and is, "considered" one by the people who fought it . . . another_liberal Sep 2014 #24

Sure it was GP6971 Sep 2014 #37

Over a 100,000 in the Pacific theatre alone GP6971 Sep 2014 #36

It has a clear Constitutional meaning Man from Pickens Sep 2014 #58

In the U.S. constitutionally only the U.S. Congress can declare "War" harun Sep 2014 #72

The knee jerk war humbled_opinion Sep 2014 #4

President Obama should not have to be goaded into anything yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #7

You're right. candelista Sep 2014 #8

Then he must have been intentionally misleading us in his election campaigns . . . another_liberal Sep 2014 #14

Never do "this"? What? George II Sep 2014 #19

Carry on a pointless war in Iraq . . . another_liberal Sep 2014 #21

And he did end one, but this "war" isn't nearly as pointless as the one he ended.... George II Sep 2014 #22

Did he stop the war in Iraq? another_liberal Sep 2014 #26

Yes, he is starting it under false pretenses. former9thward Sep 2014 #27

"The only people ISIS threatens are the U.S. stooges in Baghdad" oberliner Sep 2014 #41

That's the same logic as the 9/11 wars. CJCRANE Sep 2014 #46

Not a call for war, just a statement of fact oberliner Sep 2014 #47

Then maybe it should be covered by arab journalists, no? humbled_opinion Sep 2014 #54

Sorry, they have been told NOT to go there by our State Department. former9thward Sep 2014 #59

You think Foley did something wrong in 2012 by attempting to report from Syria? oberliner Sep 2014 #60

The State Department said Americans should not go to Syria. former9thward Sep 2014 #64

When did they say that? oberliner Sep 2014 #67

I looked on the State Department site but can't find former9thward Sep 2014 #68

Yeah - that's what I found when I checked the site as well oberliner Sep 2014 #69

You nailed it....n/t humbled_opinion Sep 2014 #53

LOL humbled_opinion Sep 2014 #52

In that case, I suppose you feel that rampant barbarism and genocide should not be stopped? George II Sep 2014 #55

Well with that view than we should be bombing humbled_opinion Sep 2014 #56

Do you think he is weak or something? Joe Turner Sep 2014 #38

I think thirty thousand is more likely . . . another_liberal Sep 2014 #15

Hell no, he wasn't goaded into this by anyone. He's doing what he thinks is the right thing to Cha Sep 2014 #29

Thanks, Cha. And Obama is clearly not playing to any crowd, but looking to do the right thing. freshwest Sep 2014 #65

I just turned Rachel Maddow off! coldbeer Sep 2014 #9

Damn! I missed Maddow interviewing Todd? George II Sep 2014 #25

mine too! coldbeer Sep 2014 #70

Developing...Film at 11. BootinUp Sep 2014 #10

I don't recollect Congress passing a declaration of war. N/t roamer65 Sep 2014 #11

AUMF George II Sep 2014 #20

The AUMF which Obama wanted revoked just last year. former9thward Sep 2014 #28

Relying on the AUMF for this is extremely controversial. amandabeech Sep 2014 #31

I believe the imminent threat was to US personnel and facilities in Iraq--I think the TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #61

I would like to see the brief that was prepared for this. amandabeech Sep 2014 #62

Iraq is one country we won't leave. I don't think we could honestly bear the TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #63

Exactly! Who's appropriating our money???????? Damn them all. TheNutcracker Sep 2014 #43

oh, how nice. Another war not recognized by Congress. liberal_at_heart Sep 2014 #12

I think our bombs killing scores and hundreds of their people made it "official" . . . another_liberal Sep 2014 #13

I prefer calling police actions, police actions, myself. Gore1FL Sep 2014 #16

This is foreign policy by comic book. rug Sep 2014 #23

What do you think it is?.. A gawd damn tea party? Just because putin's too cowardly to admit Cha Sep 2014 #30

thank goodness for those who know and understand the whole picture. Joe Turner Sep 2014 #40

Senator Bernie Sanders is exponentially smarter than the internet websters who know how to Cha Sep 2014 #44

I like Sanders a lot Joe Turner Sep 2014 #45

It's the propaganda climate. candelista Sep 2014 #48

The White House CANNOT make a war 'official.' Maedhros Sep 2014 #32

I don't think it's an attempt to DECLARE war, as Congress would do. TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #34

We certainly will make more friends sadoldgirl Sep 2014 #33

And how do we pay for it? Brigid Sep 2014 #39

We can borrow the money from China, and print some up. candelista Sep 2014 #49

second-terms, are always difficult quadrature Sep 2014 #42

�We�re not going to see an end to this in our lifetime,� retired Air Force general Charles F Wald jakeXT Sep 2014 #50

The crusades lasted a long time, too. Centuries. candelista Sep 2014 #57

I'm afraid that wherther we like it or not . . . Brigid Sep 2014 #66

Just wait until they declare "war" on the freelance polluters who don't give a crap... Amonester Sep 2014 #71

Send all of the warmongers first. liberalmuse Sep 2014 #51