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In reply to the discussion: Moscow warns against panic as ruble plunges to historic lows [View all]Xolodno
(7,327 posts)...I looked at some of the other replies and thought "wow! the propaganda runs strong". Greek Tragedy's reply actually made the case stronger that sanctions wouldn't hurt without realizing it. Another blew up and talked about $5 Bread...sure the initial shock is going to hurt, but the strong national sentiment will probably over ride it. And its a temporary price shock...eventually other nations not part of the sanctions will fill the void. Goods will still be higher priced than before, but it will be more manageable than currently. No one is thinking long term...only short term which appeals to their prejudices.
I guess everyone wants a perceived victory...even if its absolute BS...and lets face it...it does appear we are being set up for a "manufactured victory". Sanctions have never toppled a nation...and in many cases, made the populace rally against the nation (mostly US) implementing them. And when we add the fact Russia has not followed through with their "no commercial airline fly over" threat...I have to wonder if a number of nations involved in the sanctions, are ignoring them.
At the end of the day...and this will be unpopular here....Putin has won.
1. He secured Crimea.
2. He got Eastern Ukraine to be semi-autonomous and made sure Ukraine will not join NATO
3. He'll probably get the Crimea annexation vis a vis recognized in an energy deal.
4. He forced the USA to expend political capital (something it doesn't have a lot of right now thanks to GWB)..that will probably cost it later....then...maybe it already has. Perhaps that's why we are getting involved with eliminating ISIS.
5. And this will piss a lot off here...Putin will remain in power. The sanctions will eventually fade and be ignored (as there is too much money involved for Europe)...and since the USA did not get what it wanted...this will fade from the US conscious and memory.
Think I'm going to just bail out of DU for awhile...the war propaganda seems to have just infected too many. Some are just outright ignoring logic (some making the outlandish claim that Estonia is about to invaded)...some actually defending the IMF...others actually advocating war with Russia...and even a few getting right to the border of genocide by implying Russians should be exterminated. Hate has clouded the minds of too many here, I'll start posting again when the war drums stop.