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Xolodno

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49. Thanks...
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 12:12 PM
Sep 2014

...I looked at some of the other replies and thought "wow! the propaganda runs strong". Greek Tragedy's reply actually made the case stronger that sanctions wouldn't hurt without realizing it. Another blew up and talked about $5 Bread...sure the initial shock is going to hurt, but the strong national sentiment will probably over ride it. And its a temporary price shock...eventually other nations not part of the sanctions will fill the void. Goods will still be higher priced than before, but it will be more manageable than currently. No one is thinking long term...only short term which appeals to their prejudices.

I guess everyone wants a perceived victory...even if its absolute BS...and lets face it...it does appear we are being set up for a "manufactured victory". Sanctions have never toppled a nation...and in many cases, made the populace rally against the nation (mostly US) implementing them. And when we add the fact Russia has not followed through with their "no commercial airline fly over" threat...I have to wonder if a number of nations involved in the sanctions, are ignoring them.

At the end of the day...and this will be unpopular here....Putin has won.

1. He secured Crimea.

2. He got Eastern Ukraine to be semi-autonomous and made sure Ukraine will not join NATO

3. He'll probably get the Crimea annexation vis a vis recognized in an energy deal.

4. He forced the USA to expend political capital (something it doesn't have a lot of right now thanks to GWB)..that will probably cost it later....then...maybe it already has. Perhaps that's why we are getting involved with eliminating ISIS.

5. And this will piss a lot off here...Putin will remain in power. The sanctions will eventually fade and be ignored (as there is too much money involved for Europe)...and since the USA did not get what it wanted...this will fade from the US conscious and memory.

Think I'm going to just bail out of DU for awhile...the war propaganda seems to have just infected too many. Some are just outright ignoring logic (some making the outlandish claim that Estonia is about to invaded)...some actually defending the IMF...others actually advocating war with Russia...and even a few getting right to the border of genocide by implying Russians should be exterminated. Hate has clouded the minds of too many here, I'll start posting again when the war drums stop.

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What inspires more panic than when public officials call for not panicking? TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #1
Let me count the ways ChairmanAgnostic Sep 2014 #3
Aaaaaw, what a pity. Could it be the result of sanctions? LiberalEsto Sep 2014 #2
How could that be the RT crew has said they have no effect at all? karynnj Sep 2014 #4
yes, it's not a time for schaudenfreude. Putin is most likely insane and this increases the danger uhnope Sep 2014 #6
Elections have consequences. Igel Sep 2014 #55
The 'no effect' at all comes from three memes: freshwest Sep 2014 #50
And yet not one of those reasons is in the least applicable to RT. Igel Sep 2014 #56
Must. Resist. Posting. Obvious. Animal. House. Clip. Brigid Sep 2014 #5
Anyone panicking will be shot Kelvin Mace Sep 2014 #7
For the very best in medical care available! (nt) PosterChild Sep 2014 #10
I see what you did here. Brigid Sep 2014 #44
Yep. Kelvin Mace Sep 2014 #46
RT & Putin's "Internet Troll Army" say different. Everything's just peachy keen, doncha know? Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #8
That is bigotry there. the way you posted it. Want to do the same for another demographic around newthinking Sep 2014 #18
You think about it. I don't wanna. Let's ask Fearless Leader, Boris & Natasha what they think. Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #31
If Boris was in Moscow today, he would look at Putin and say . . . Major Hogwash Sep 2014 #33
!!! Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #34
And we have our thread winner. Brigid Sep 2014 #40
LOL! NT Elmergantry Sep 2014 #22
Aww! That's just sad. Reminds me of this American demographic: freshwest Sep 2014 #36
I think it is hilarious that someone threatens you about your account being suspended davidpdx Sep 2014 #38
Agreed. Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #47
Hmmm. Anything we can do to drive it down faster? nt NCjack Sep 2014 #9
Putin is smiling. Xolodno Sep 2014 #11
That was a good one. I figure the same. ballyhoo Sep 2014 #13
oh newthinking Sep 2014 #19
Yes, it's very strange. I figured what you just wrote ballyhoo Sep 2014 #24
I am not as well versed on Syria. newthinking Sep 2014 #25
There have been wars going on since before the beginning of... Amonester Sep 2014 #26
Pride before the fall. Cayenne Sep 2014 #29
Thanks... Xolodno Sep 2014 #49
There was an outlandish claim that the Ukraine was about to be invaded. Igel Sep 2014 #57
Maybe Putin is smiling, tabasco Sep 2014 #16
That is such bs. I still have relatives there. A loaf of bread ~60 cents. Fuck propaganda newthinking Sep 2014 #21
oy geek tragedy Sep 2014 #20
Sanctions are not crippling Cuba and Iran is higher than india in HDR newthinking Sep 2014 #27
Wait, what? Other than oil/gas and an insane amount of Vodka... GOLGO 13 Sep 2014 #37
The ruble failing hurts Russia badly. Orsino Sep 2014 #39
where is Obama on this? quadrature Sep 2014 #12
Collapsing the currency of a nuclear armed state is a bad thing, people. roamer65 Sep 2014 #14
I can't believe people are cheering this Cayenne Sep 2014 #30
No. Igel Sep 2014 #58
Remain calm, all is well.... Turbineguy Sep 2014 #15
Russians have been through far worse before. newthinking Sep 2014 #17
What to do, RT? Deny, deny, deny, and claim that everything is just peachy, Nye Bevan Sep 2014 #23
or just accept that things are more complex than we understand and the media promotes? newthinking Sep 2014 #28
so are you part of the Russian Kracken? snooper2 Sep 2014 #42
"And I have yet to see anyone blame the war in Ukraine on Obama." OilemFirchen Sep 2014 #43
TYT/Buzzfeed: "Russia's Online Troll Army Is Huge, Hilarious & Already Everywhere " Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #32
The ruble falling will hurt these trolls -- as they argue that it doesn't nt karynnj Sep 2014 #51
Yeah, but could you imagine such an organized US effort inside Russia? God Bless America! Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #53
I would think it completely unlikely and a very silly idea karynnj Sep 2014 #54
Wait! That can't be true. What will happen to the Putin/Palin ticket in 2016? freshwest Sep 2014 #35
HA HA HA that is what you get Putin you fucking asshole snooper2 Sep 2014 #41
They laughed when I sat down at the keyboard... OilemFirchen Sep 2014 #45
"By the end of the year, a wheelbarrow of rubles will buy two loaves of bread." Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #48
See! Serious deflationary pressure on the ruble. Igel Sep 2014 #59
Whoa! That thread, honestly speaking, sounds like a good thing for Crimeans. Well, some of them. freshwest Sep 2014 #61
The falling ruble is a direct result of sanctions. OilemFirchen Sep 2014 #62
I wonder if the big money guys in Russia would plan an exit strategy for Vlad KinMd Sep 2014 #52
Good job Mr. Putin. nt ladjf Sep 2014 #60
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