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TygrBright

(21,350 posts)
26. ahhh... This makes sense. Thanks for posting. n/t
Wed Sep 24, 2014, 09:38 AM
Sep 2014

It's amazing how little ANY of the media bothered to do their homework about 4chan and, more particularly, the /b/ forum where all of this went down.

The key thing to know is that any time you say "4chan is" (meaning participants on their fora) you're already giving misinformation, because there is NO commonality among the myriad factions, groups, and users of the site.

Some of 4chan's fora (there are a great many) are relatively quiet, and even to some extent coherent in the sense that most regulars on that forum share a good deal of common ground on the topic of the forum.

/b/ is not that forum, though.

Yes, there are plenty of immature, hostile, misogynistic script-kiddie wannabes who hang there. The herd instinct does operate (viz. the pile-on after this particular posting.)

However, in the main, /b/ may be as close to a working headquarters for anarchy as the human race has yet devised. And that by design.

/b/ is also the place where the organizing was done to out the solons of the town that allowed a rape victim who was left on her parents' lawn in the dead of winter and nearly froze to death, and they refused to go after the known and identified perpetrators.

/b/ is a place where people who want to "stick it" to any group, institution, spokesbot, etc. for those who assume power or control, can communicate. It's the Internet equivalent of a flashmob phone tree, or rather hundreds of them, since they operate on confusing and even contradictory philosophical bases (not to mention impulses.)

You can see why this would be a valuable place to put out of business entirely.

That, in itself, is a fairly ludicrous ambition.

If /b/ were pulled from the 4chan site tomorrow morning, it would simply reconstitute elsewhere by noon.

Do smarmy little misogynist trolls hang out there? Yep.

Do dedicated anti-capitalist hackers hang out there? Yep.

Do independent anarchists with socially unacceptable senses of humor hang out there? Hell, yes.

Is there ANY point in trying to fathom, control, defame, shame, corral, or even collaborate with them?

That may be the new definition of "futility."

They're like any other social phenomenon: If there's a Heisenberg effect, it becomes part of the phenomenon. You can observe all you want, but you cannot direct, control, or even influence to any very lasting or substantial effect.

amusedly,
Bright

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Given that 4chan was the source of the many "Hermione Granger" photoshopped porn pics intaglio Sep 2014 #1
Photoshopped celebrity pics have been a thing since... forever? Blue_Adept Sep 2014 #3
So the idea that it is traditional justifies the practise? intaglio Sep 2014 #7
Where was I defending them? Blue_Adept Sep 2014 #11
Oh so you didn't mean to imply that because others have done that intaglio Sep 2014 #17
Way to infer things that aren't there Blue_Adept Sep 2014 #24
No, your post was quite clear intaglio Sep 2014 #31
No, it was providing some context as some folks seem to think this is a new thing Blue_Adept Sep 2014 #34
Welcome to DU, the land that reading comprehension forgot Jim Lane Sep 2014 #55
Freedom of speech issue. FLPanhandle Sep 2014 #28
So issuing threats is covered by Freeze Peach intaglio Sep 2014 #32
So, let's shut down every internet site where posters issue some threat FLPanhandle Sep 2014 #37
Have you actually read any of the threats? intaglio Sep 2014 #44
Shutting down one site is stupid and useless FLPanhandle Sep 2014 #56
So the minor sanction of shutting down a website full of haters intaglio Sep 2014 #57
If they are doing anything criminal, then, yes, prosecute the individuals. FLPanhandle Sep 2014 #61
Wait, they're on IRC??? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2014 #45
Well, what a surprise, someone trying to be funny about harrassment intaglio Sep 2014 #46
Well, MY research shows almost no one uses IRC anymore ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2014 #48
Thank you for displaying your ignorance intaglio Sep 2014 #51
Defending? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2014 #53
Yes, defending by belittling the case against them intaglio Sep 2014 #58
No ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2014 #59
I wonder Feral Child Sep 2014 #2
So the OP was a publicity stunt - the responses of 4channers to that OP were not intaglio Sep 2014 #8
Well, then. Feral Child Sep 2014 #12
LMF'nAO 4Chan responded to a hoax with its usual hate and you characterise that as a "sidestep" intaglio Sep 2014 #15
You've descended to poor grammar and personal insults. Feral Child Sep 2014 #18
Otherwise known as "lalalalala, I can't hear you" intaglio Sep 2014 #19
no, it's still a pit of misogynistic psychopaths and wannabe rapists geek tragedy Sep 2014 #10
Thanks for not disappointing me. Feral Child Sep 2014 #13
those of us who oppose misogyny and rape threats have a pretty consistent track record geek tragedy Sep 2014 #14
"You're either for us or against us." Feral Child Sep 2014 #16
Where has that been said here? intaglio Sep 2014 #20
Look, some crappy marketing firm ran a game on the gullible Feral Child Sep 2014 #21
It looks like the creepy 4chan guys fell for it, and cyberswede Sep 2014 #25
What, have you queued up again? Feral Child Sep 2014 #42
What are you on about? cyberswede Sep 2014 #43
For misogyny and rape or against misogyny and rape equals "for us or against us?" Uh, wut? Cerridwen Sep 2014 #22
Were the replies to the hoax part of the hoax? Or did 4chan do those all on their own? Cerridwen Sep 2014 #4
So that makes it ok to shut them down? Damn, maybe we ought to do the same with Discussionist Katashi_itto Sep 2014 #5
What on earth does your reply have to do with my post? (edited) Cerridwen Sep 2014 #6
Yeah...the dissonance is startling. Chan790 Sep 2014 #60
The little shits at foxweekly have quite the sketchy history blogslut Sep 2014 #9
so is fox the icloud hackers? not just photos stored on those clouds. Sunlei Sep 2014 #23
ahhh... This makes sense. Thanks for posting. n/t TygrBright Sep 2014 #26
You win the internets today The Traveler Sep 2014 #29
Exactly. And it's an indication of how badly "journalism" has devolved... TygrBright Sep 2014 #30
Well put, Bright. Many here have as little understanding of the Internet as the CNN commentator... villager Sep 2014 #35
Manipulating us is their job. They're actually quite dedicated. TygrBright Sep 2014 #40
So, even if this is true, it's despicable. riqster Sep 2014 #27
I agree 100%. It also doesn't excuse the vile comments on 4shat. n/t MerryBlooms Sep 2014 #38
4shat, now THAT is funny. riqster Sep 2014 #39
Heh, go for it. MerryBlooms Sep 2014 #41
So, someone wants to shut down 4chan, goes in there to create an account that would issue a threat Xyzse Sep 2014 #33
Hope Solo on naked 4Chan photo leak: 'This act goes beyond the bounds of human decency' jakeXT Sep 2014 #36
Yes but 4chan users are just reposting pictures that were originally posted somewhere else. Kablooie Sep 2014 #47
AnonIb is probably alot closer than 4chan jakeXT Sep 2014 #49
Even AnonIb is a repost site there are still private sites where the pictures come from. Kablooie Sep 2014 #54
Whoever came up with this whosinpower1 Sep 2014 #50
4chan is so five years ago. PeteSelman Sep 2014 #52
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