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AngryAmish

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33. It is not a club I would join (but let's face facts they ain't inviting me).

Thu Apr 5, 2012, 03:07 PM

Apr 2012

I worked at an all male golf club when I was a kid. It did not a place where the members actively plotted against women. It was a place where the first and foremost thing was playing golf at the highest level. The PGA told the club they had to change their all-male policy. The club said no and the Western Open went elsewhere after that.

The members like an all-male club because with women's members things tend to become a country club. Country clubs are not golf clubs. Country clubs have pools, gardens, tennis, a restaurant, social life and all that. The focus gets away from the golf. Dues go up. Also, the members of where I used to work liked the fact they could tell their wives they were off to the club and their wives did not suspicious.

So, is it appropriate? Since ANGC does not bar women from the facilities then they should let them be members. But it is up to them.

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Obama: It�s time for Augusta golf club to admit women members [View all] kpete Apr 2012 OP

I agree with him. It's backassward thinking to discriminate in this day and age. MADem Apr 2012 #1

I actually think this would be pretty easy for Romney to respond to. Bonduel Apr 2012 #74

What about other exclusionary clubs? Puzzledtraveller Apr 2012 #2

The Masters Club isn't comparable with other such clubs like Alpha Phi Alpha or alp227 Apr 2012 #4

How? Just asking... BadtotheboneBob Apr 2012 #7

Augusta National Golf Club AngryAmish Apr 2012 #11

Here's one article NoGOPZone Apr 2012 #14

Article just assumes there are no women members or that there is a no woman policy AngryAmish Apr 2012 #16

Here's another article with the same 'assumption' NoGOPZone Apr 2012 #17

My point is you cannot find the bylaws AngryAmish Apr 2012 #21

It is irrelevant (to nearly everyone except the RW appointees on the Supreme Ct) whether there is a spooky3 Apr 2012 #56

Actually, someone is selling a copy of the 79 bylaws online. MADem Apr 2012 #80

I think he is calling attention to the issue goclark Apr 2012 #99

Romney agrees with Obama on this--for once. MADem Apr 2012 #102

Sounds like Mitt is trying to move more to the center goclark Apr 2012 #105

Shake, shake, shake,..... shake, shake, shake! MADem Apr 2012 #106

and here's one where the club chairman NoGOPZone Apr 2012 #18

From what I can see, they won't release their bylaws, but they clearly have a longstanding cbayer Apr 2012 #19

Every member gets a copy of the bylaws, in a cute little green booklet, every year. MADem Apr 2012 #89

This message was self-deleted by its author NoGOPZone Apr 2012 #61

No women. It's a founding premise. MADem Apr 2012 #76

His language was very careful. MADem Apr 2012 #75

But then they'd have to bring all their vagina stuff and they'd vagina all over the place. Ian David Apr 2012 #3

Serious question DJ13 Apr 2012 #5

The issue is all over the news this year specifically because .... JoePhilly Apr 2012 #8

Heard a story about this yesterday. cbayer Apr 2012 #10

LOL Iliyah Apr 2012 #53

Corporations are People coldbeer Apr 2012 #72

If corporations are people, they shouldn't be discriminating against other people on public airwaves MADem Apr 2012 #81

Obama is daring Romney and Santorum to weigh in on this topic. JoePhilly Apr 2012 #6

Romney has agreed with Obama already. MADem Apr 2012 #78

Why is he commenting on this? emilyg Apr 2012 #9

Because the Republicans will need to respond too shawn703 Apr 2012 #13

IMO - not presidential concern. emilyg Apr 2012 #15

Discrimination is not a presidential concern? Skinner Apr 2012 #20

There is discrimination and illegal discrimination AngryAmish Apr 2012 #23

DU chooses its members based on their political ideology, not whether they have a penis. Skinner Apr 2012 #24

A private club can choose it's members based on all sorts of silly qualifications AngryAmish Apr 2012 #25

Let's just bottom line this. Skinner Apr 2012 #26

Obama was smart to take the moderate -- not progressive position -- that he did. pnwmom Apr 2012 #32

I believe they are holding the same opinion on this issue. SlimJimmy Apr 2012 #92

It is not a club I would join (but let's face facts they ain't inviting me). AngryAmish Apr 2012 #33

"pools, gardens, tennis, a restaurant, social life and all that." mac56 Apr 2012 #37

Stereotyping against country clubs? AngryAmish Apr 2012 #38

Wow. Do you realize that a lot of business takes place on golf courses and that cbayer Apr 2012 #39

99.75% of golf courses allow women AngryAmish Apr 2012 #42

Wrong. It does harm women. cbayer Apr 2012 #48

The short answer is there are many organizations that discriminate on all sorts of bases AngryAmish Apr 2012 #51

What if the big meeting of the business you are engaged in is being held on the links at Augusta? MADem Apr 2012 #88

How do you feel about this scenario? joeglow3 Apr 2012 #47

There are trade associations specifically for minority groups in all kinds of businesses. cbayer Apr 2012 #49

So, discrimination is okay because I MIGHT get invited in 10 years? joeglow3 Apr 2012 #97

How about this scenario? MADem Apr 2012 #91

Women are allowed to play at ANGC, not be members. AngryAmish Apr 2012 #96

Well, aren't they the lucky ducks! No problem, then! Silly things! MADem Apr 2012 #98

Exactly. And some businesses take deductions for their payments for memberships. spooky3 Apr 2012 #55

In fact, the club was cowed into taking their first black member in 1990 because cbayer Apr 2012 #58

"It is not a club I would join" PassingFair Apr 2012 #93

Private golf club? yes. emilyg Apr 2012 #62

And if they were discriminating against African Americans... Skinner Apr 2012 #63

I wanted to ask the poster that question but didn't obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #67

I would certainly disapprove. But there is a difference Bonduel Apr 2012 #73

They got away with that until 22 years ago. MADem Apr 2012 #85

Corporations take profits generated from people of both genders to fund a golf show broadcast on MADem Apr 2012 #83

Freepers can stop being freezers ... not sure IBM's CEO can easily "change" ... JoePhilly Apr 2012 #27

^^^ Win ^^^ WilliamPitt Apr 2012 #43

It's a private club. How about emilyg Apr 2012 #46

it is NOT a "private" club when businesses deduct membership costs, where advertising revenue is spooky3 Apr 2012 #57

Of course it is obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #66

And by staking out the moderate position, Obama is forcing Romney further right. pnwmom Apr 2012 #29

There is no daylight between Romney and Obama on this particular matter. None. nt MADem Apr 2012 #86

I think that's why he said it Courtesy Flush Apr 2012 #52

His press secretary was asked... Drunken Irishman Apr 2012 #64

Because Augusta SHOULD admit female members? Arkana Apr 2012 #65

Just to irritate you. nt NYC Liberal Apr 2012 #69

It's an issue. It matters. Remember Martha Burk? She's back. MADem Apr 2012 #82

Why, is there a law that says a president cant comment on it or on other issues? cstanleytech Apr 2012 #114

Why would any woman want to join? Redford Apr 2012 #12

Because a lot of business takes place on golf course, particularly courses like this. cbayer Apr 2012 #31

As a member you can bring your business colleagues to play at one of the best courses in the USA. MADem Apr 2012 #87

When Eisenhower basically said he would enforce the law when it came to desegregating schools, it merbex Apr 2012 #22

Masters not Mistresses CAPHAVOC Apr 2012 #28

Did you really just say this? cbayer Apr 2012 #34

I shoulda brought a book, some tanning lotion, and a lawn chair. CAPHAVOC Apr 2012 #35

If they were slower players than you, why didn't you just ask them if you could play through? cbayer Apr 2012 #40

I am Joking you. CAPHAVOC Apr 2012 #41

We just played "over" them. CAPHAVOC Apr 2012 #50

It was a decidedly unfunny comment. MADem Apr 2012 #126

lol harun Apr 2012 #45

Its a private club HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #30

They went two years with no advertisers before AngryAmish Apr 2012 #36

And how would you feel if they continued to block African Americans from membership, as they did at spooky3 Apr 2012 #54

Please provide evidence Sgent Apr 2012 #60

Actually it is a private club and if they wanted to block someone from joining based on their skin cstanleytech Apr 2012 #115

You think those corporations would continue to sponsor without the ability to advertise on network MADem Apr 2012 #108

If you think the prize money is the only reason people compete in the Masters, you are extremely Hosnon Apr 2012 #109

No, I'm not "extremely unfamiliar with the tournament." MADem Apr 2012 #120

I'm not quite sure where your level of disdain comes from, but it is quite clear it is high. Hosnon Apr 2012 #122

Her name is Burk, not Burke. MADem Apr 2012 #124

I find it interesting that you find that interesting. Hosnon Apr 2012 #129

What does the "growth rate" of investing the purse have to do with the prize money? Answer-nothing. MADem Apr 2012 #128

Bill Gates is a member of ANGC, so is Warren Buffet (or so they say) AngryAmish Apr 2012 #118

Perhaps they can be persuaded to see why that's a bad move, if that is true. MADem Apr 2012 #119

Sweeet!! Chakaconcarne Apr 2012 #44

Thanks President Obama for being the wise adult in the room. Dont call me Shirley Apr 2012 #59

Is it ok for many Curves fitness centers to exclude men? madville Apr 2012 #68

I imagine many people either cannot or simply will not see the critical and relevant differences... LanternWaste Apr 2012 #79

I tend to think the reason it doesn't matter re: CURVES is because MADem Apr 2012 #101

When Curves holds a tournament sponsored by major US corporations, broadcast over FCC-licensed MADem Apr 2012 #90

I can just imagine if somebody like MoRon Paul were asked to comment on this. Jamaal510 Apr 2012 #70

why do golfers continue to play in this tournament? RainDog Apr 2012 #71

Ridiculouos. So a 1% club will get forced to allow another 1% female to join, that's progress? harun Apr 2012 #84

HUGE PRIZE MONEY. Put up by corporations with male and female shareholders and customers-- MADem Apr 2012 #103

I'm assuming you have some sort of professional or personal knowledge to back up your Hosnon Apr 2012 #112

Sure, whatever. This is the internet. MADem Apr 2012 #116

All your link provided was prize money stats. Hosnon Apr 2012 #123

The money is the motivator. MADem Apr 2012 #127

This post should probably be deleted for implying I'm a Freeper or what not. Hosnon Apr 2012 #130

It's the prestige. Despite what a few are claiming here, it is not only about the prize money. Hosnon Apr 2012 #111

The point of it all, to me RainDog Apr 2012 #113

A million and a half bucks isn't chicken feed. It is about the money. MADem Apr 2012 #117

Of course it's not chicken feed. But anyone with a modicum of golf knowledge, specifically, Hosnon Apr 2012 #121

As I have iterated elsewhere, I don't find your arguments credible. MADem Apr 2012 #125

The club also couldn't give away tickets to the tournament 50 years ago. Hosnon Apr 2012 #131

Whatever. MADem Apr 2012 #134

If Augusta ever had it's "major" status yanked, its clout and popularity would fall off a cliff Blue_Tires Apr 2012 #132

That's more plausible than reducing or removing the prize money. Hosnon Apr 2012 #133

read through the entire thread and replaced the word 'woman' with the word 'gay'. LanternWaste Apr 2012 #77

I'm a gay male, and was born and raised in Augusta (and still live here). Hosnon Apr 2012 #110

Being male chervilant Apr 2012 #94

As a female, I really don't care - lynne Apr 2012 #95

Do those "gals" clubs cut multi-million dollar deals with FCC licensed television stations? MADem Apr 2012 #104

well said. nt La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2012 #107

Screw Playing Golf With A Bunch Of Rich White Men raindaddy Apr 2012 #100