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44. Madison disagreed with the Bill of Rights

Fri Oct 3, 2014, 12:59 AM

Oct 2014

I question a lot of the old "transcripts," knowing that they were written by quill on parchment as the debates raged on. There was no way that a penman, who had to constantly dip and write, then dip again, could keep up with the speeches.

Madison was forced by the Anti-Federalist movement into penning the Amendments, else the Constitution would not have been ratified. In his writings I learned that he didn't want any national government involvement in church or education.

As far as the 'wall of separation' argument goes, I find it risible that some people constantly quote from a *letter* written by a person who was not a writer of our Constitution, to involve the national government in religion. We have bigger problems that I wish would animate the masses like religious debate does.

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Scalia: It Is A Lie That Gov't Cannot Favor Religion Over Secularism [View all] blkmusclmachine Oct 2014 OP

Scalia is one sick mfer...nt StopTheNeoCons Oct 2014 #1

A towering intellect indeed! radiclib Oct 2014 #2

I love how Scalia says the Constitution is a dead thing. Doesn't match his rightwing activism! blkmusclmachine Oct 2014 #3

DANG! Well that's what smug little GW Bushnazi said too.."The Constitution's just a piece of paper" misterhighwasted Oct 2014 #30

Can't wait til that sick pile of shit either quits the court or dies. nt Lucky Luciano Oct 2014 #4

The worst Supreme Court judge in my lifetime is Scalia kimbutgar Oct 2014 #5

You limit it to karma? Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #12

But why destroy three perfectly good cars in the process? bvf Oct 2014 #20

That would be perfectly acceptable too Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #21

I also could get behind that kimbutgar Oct 2014 #69

Right there with you,bro Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #72

Not just... 3catwoman3 Oct 2014 #77

Scaliy Scalia Plucketeer Oct 2014 #6

yet, somehow all the notes and letters from the people who actually wrote the constitution whereisjustice Oct 2014 #7

To say nothing about the evolution of the amendment in both houses of congress. longship Oct 2014 #22

That is Madison notes, not trusted by everyone... happyslug Oct 2014 #42

Madison disagreed with the Bill of Rights freefaller62 Oct 2014 #44

Linen was the preferred paper, they were transferred to parchment only later if at all happyslug Oct 2014 #45

Linen paper freefaller62 Oct 2014 #84

I guess it applies only to Christianity. JEFF9K Oct 2014 #8

I call it "Republianity" Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #11

Forget US history huh. Iliyah Oct 2014 #9

"Separation of Church and State" is NOT in the First Amendment or any other part of the Consitution happyslug Oct 2014 #43

Bullshit. Congress makes law. Judges interpret law. The President enforces law. demwing Oct 2014 #73

That is NOT how the US Supreme Court has ruled, and that includes dissents happyslug Oct 2014 #75

"The rationale used to justify Chaplains..." demwing Oct 2014 #78

No, Tony, your "jurisprudence" is the lie Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #10

Looks like our strict constructionist is coming apart at the seams. Baitball Blogger Oct 2014 #13

"it's "a lie" that the government cannot favor one religion over another"? douggg Oct 2014 #14

Scalia probably had a little too much booze. candelista Oct 2014 #15

Frankly he should resign now as he totally is butchering the Constitution to suit his own religion. cstanleytech Oct 2014 #16

However, the cardinal priciple is that everything Scalia says is a lie Jack Rabbit Oct 2014 #17

There is no doubt in my mind defacto7 Oct 2014 #18

The founders and the founding Congress disagree, Justice Douchebag! longship Oct 2014 #19

Fuck that guy! BrotherIvan Oct 2014 #23

Article 11, The Treaty of Tripoli Monk06 Oct 2014 #24

The man is clearly senile. n/t ReRe Oct 2014 #25

If we adhere to traditional Christian values then why does Scalia repeatedly break several of the Dont call me Shirley Oct 2014 #26

"utterly absurd" - translation: 'I'm wrong, so I gotta double down, or else closeupready Oct 2014 #27

Dangerous ignorance on the Supreme Court. marmar Oct 2014 #28

He should be impeached he isn't even pretending to follow the law Kalidurga Oct 2014 #29

But it is true that his brain is separated from his mouth. rug Oct 2014 #31

I want Freedom FROM Religion...period. SoapBox Oct 2014 #32

Cause to impeach Diremoon Oct 2014 #33

Him being there is an ethics violation. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2014 #34

How much was Scalia paid for this speech? Midnight Writer Oct 2014 #35

Oh he's paid with pennies from heaven :) n/t marym625 Oct 2014 #40

The Pledge of Allegiance... Oldtimeralso Oct 2014 #36

A lot of the kids in my class said "Underdog", Art_from_Ark Oct 2014 #38

AWESOME! n/t marym625 Oct 2014 #41

UNDERDOG! progressoid Oct 2014 #52

That's correct - LibertyLover Oct 2014 #57

The Flushing Remonstrance is cited as the beginning of religious freedom Art_from_Ark Oct 2014 #37

That's my beloved hometown, by the way shenmue Oct 2014 #48

The Wiki article said that the Queens Borough President's Office Art_from_Ark Oct 2014 #50

No shenmue Oct 2014 #51

We haven't got a prayer n/t marym625 Oct 2014 #39

I often wonder what is in store... the_sly_pig Oct 2014 #46

I think he sees himself bvf Oct 2014 #53

True as far as it goes MFrohike Oct 2014 #47

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion. GeorgeGist Oct 2014 #67

It doesn't speak directly to it MFrohike Oct 2014 #86

Let me just second George's question above FiveGoodMen Oct 2014 #82

It doesn't speak directly to it MFrohike Oct 2014 #87

He should have to wear a board that says 'no-establishment clause' shenmue Oct 2014 #49

but its only the 'left' activist judges that matter. pansypoo53219 Oct 2014 #54

Jesus Christ! and I say that in the terms of the Moneychangers in the Temple way Demeter Oct 2014 #55

This is why GOTV is vital: we MUST hold the Senate. riqster Oct 2014 #56

I'm not a lawyer, Delphinus Oct 2014 #58

I bet if suddenly a majority of us converted to Islam or Jewism tomorrow - Scalia will be singing a srican69 Oct 2014 #59

Scalia is wrong and it is clear that he needs to retire soon Gothmog Oct 2014 #60

Scalia is def sick & should be impeached. He is completely bought, sold & biased. hue Oct 2014 #61

Why are there no calls for Scalia's impeachment? albino65 Oct 2014 #62

What law school did he go to? n/t leftyladyfrommo Oct 2014 #63

Well, Scalia should certainly know a lie when he sees one ... eppur_se_muova Oct 2014 #64

Of course it's a lie! rock Oct 2014 #65

This is why Dyedinthewoolliberal Oct 2014 #66

That should be grounds for impeachment right there! Elmer S. E. Dump Oct 2014 #68

Hmm. davidthegnome Oct 2014 #70

Fucking asshole seems to ignore the Establishment Clause. sakabatou Oct 2014 #71

This asshole should be impeached or legally removed! santamargarita Oct 2014 #74

And that's the elephant in the room atreides1 Oct 2014 #76

I doubt that most of the last 2000 years is what Jesus had in mind. FiveGoodMen Oct 2014 #83

We are going backwards, thanks to this biggest liar of all. merrily Oct 2014 #79

AssClown Award winner BadGimp Oct 2014 #80

And we STILL can't impeach him???? FiveGoodMen Oct 2014 #81

Scalia.......just hearing his name makes me sick to my stomach. Beacool Oct 2014 #85

for this alone he should be removed from the court. he's 100% wrong. spanone Oct 2014 #88

It is a Lie that Scalia is Qualified to be on the Supreme Court of the US... Hekate Oct 2014 #89

He is right... Scruffy Rumbler Oct 2014 #90

He proves that it can. n/t Orsino Oct 2014 #91

FUCK. HIM. Adrahil Oct 2014 #92

I have to agree. Arugula Latte Oct 2014 #93

This guy is a hazard to our country's health. calimary Oct 2014 #94