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Yo_Mama

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26. The problem is that it can kill the patient
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 05:22 PM
Oct 2014

All this stuff is experimental, and Tekmira in July got a clinical hold letter from the FDA for its trial in healthy patients. Now it is approved for infected patients, but it may in fact make them worse at some stages of illness.

Once the virus has proliferated to a certain stage in the blood vessels, a cascading cytokine response may not be the optimum for the patient, because it can produce or worsen cardiovascular collapse and organ failure.

Doctors have to make very tough choices here and they face a ton of unknowns. The consensus seems to be that blood transfusions (if you have a match) from recovered patients and stuff like ZMapp might be safer, because they aren't trying to provoke the body's own response. However, it does seem likely that they don't work after a certain stage of the disease.

Duncan is now receiving brincidofovir, which the FDA just approved as an emergency measure. That's an antiviral which had been in the very early investigative stage for Ebola:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/10/06/thomas-eric-duncan-ebola-patient-dallas-hospital/16798391/

There's also a Japanese antiviral, which is unproven. But my understanding is that some supplies of that have been sent to Africa.

The fact that Duncan's getting brincidofovir must mean that he's in bad shape - it's a medical Hail Mary. But the thing is, the drug is already being used in humans against cytomegalovirus, so more is known about the safety profile, and the FDA also approved it for trials against adenovirus in immune-compromised patients. So it's something that the doctors believe might help and probably won't hurt a fragile patient.

That article discusses a bit of the risks.

The Spanish priest treated with ZMapp died. There's not any silver bullet against Ebola right now - it's all just wishful thinking. There's been a pretty high survival rate in Africa with this outbreak, so it's not clear that ANY of the experimental treatments used have helped.

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I wonder what it means that the other experimental drug is 'difficult' to take. Chemisse Oct 2014 #1
Yes, is it more difficult to take than dying? jwirr Oct 2014 #2
If I were an Ebola patient I'd want to try it anyway. Louisiana1976 Oct 2014 #4
Yes, so would I. jwirr Oct 2014 #11
I read that it makes people worse before it makes them better -- IF it makes them better. pnwmom Oct 2014 #7
I know. We have watched cancer patients suffer only to die a few months later for a long time. What jwirr Oct 2014 #12
Ahh, that explains it. Ty. Chemisse Oct 2014 #23
he may pull through on his own TorchTheWitch Oct 2014 #21
The problem is that it can kill the patient Yo_Mama Oct 2014 #26
Ty for the interesting information. Chemisse Oct 2014 #28
Shit. calimary Oct 2014 #3
I believe your organs liquefy.. PearliePoo2 Oct 2014 #5
They don't liquefy. tammywammy Oct 2014 #6
...and appeared not to be receiving any of the experimental medicines for the virus..... blackspade Oct 2014 #8
They're out of the drug. tammywammy Oct 2014 #13
they ...say... they are out of the drug ... nt quadrature Oct 2014 #15
The drug was experimental and the manufacturer had not even started primate trials. branford Oct 2014 #17
you are repeating somebody-elses claims quadrature Oct 2014 #18
As expected, no evidence. branford Oct 2014 #19
I guess we will see than. blackspade Oct 2014 #20
They are out of the drug, there were only a few doses Marrah_G Oct 2014 #14
there were only about 6 or 7 does of ZMapp made TorchTheWitch Oct 2014 #22
Possibly not entirely correct.... blackspade Oct 2014 #24
so half that got ZMapp were presumably white and half were black TorchTheWitch Oct 2014 #25
That's it! you convinced me! blackspade Oct 2014 #27
Spanish priest died. Aerows Oct 2014 #29
Correct, I posted that above. blackspade Oct 2014 #32
And one of the white people died, too Aerows Oct 2014 #30
Praise to the brave medical staff helping to treat him oberliner Oct 2014 #9
How about trying the experimental cure discovered by a Thai hospital? Turborama Oct 2014 #10
One hospital is using AIDS medication Aerows Oct 2014 #31
Serum antibodies from suvivors are supposed to help. McCamy Taylor Oct 2014 #16
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