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13. Is anyone surprised?

Mon Oct 13, 2014, 02:36 PM

Oct 2014

This is what Muslim invaders like Babur, Humayoon, Malik Kafoor, Ahmadshah Abdali, Nadir Shah, Mahmood Gaznavi, Mohammad Ghauri and others did in India in the 11th through 16th centuries. If one were to research the above names one would find ISIS like slaughters, ethnic cleansing, rapes, slavery and forced marriages practiced back then. According to KS Lal, (from his book), between 1000 ACE and 1525 ACE, 80-100 million Hindus were killed or forcibly converted.

More recently (in 1970s), when Bangladesh was seeking independence from Pakistan, Pakistani military did the same thing against Bangladeshis. Some 400,000 rapes were reported but actual number may be higher.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_Bangladesh_Liberation_War
http://www.forbes.com/sites/worldviews/2012/05/21/1971-rapes-bangladesh-cannot-hide-history/

Iraq's Yazidis are actually lost Hindus from that era. They have a snake symbol in the entrance to their temple, a sun symbol on their doors and a peacock, vestiges of the worship of Kartikeya (Murugan.)

It is vile and their justification for being according to Shariah is not erroneous.

I wonder, if ISIS is so un-Islamic and maligning the name of Islam, how come there is no fatwa against ISIS and no one has proclaimed jihad against ISIS?

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Islamic State seeks to justify enslaving Yazidi women and girls in Iraq [View all] candelista Oct 2014 OP

These subhumans need killing. TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #1

These "subhumans" Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #28

No, they need to be exterminated. And they're subhuman. TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #29

Right, and who gets to decide who is, and isn't subhuman? Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #30

Maybe they're just misunderstood, and have a worthy cause that should be TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #40

Who will be first in line to go teach these poor uneducated masses? 7962 Oct 2014 #44

Again, my question is Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #59

Look at it this way: DetlefK Oct 2014 #136

Pretty good analysis right there. nt 7962 Oct 2014 #167

Again, WHO decides WHO is "subhuman" and in need of "extermination"? Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #183

Wow. He's really proposing genocide. DetlefK Oct 2014 #209

The problem is Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #210

No, you are wrong get the red out Oct 2014 #45

So, the answer to sex slavery Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #50

liberals should not be fools - otherwise the daleks win samsingh Oct 2014 #58

So, again I ask Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #71

Destroy until they submit. Thats how you win a war. We've forgotten that. 7962 Oct 2014 #82

Uh, no, that is why we have Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #162

Yes Iamthetruth Oct 2014 #87

OK, one unambiguos vote for genocide Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #163

Destroying an enemy is not genocide. 7962 Oct 2014 #165

The original poster I enaged on this issue Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #168

Nice try Iamthetruth Oct 2014 #188

Again, Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #198

You abuse the term genocide in your posts on this thread NickB79 Oct 2014 #234

Once again Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #237

it may be a yes or no question to you but it's complicated samsingh Oct 2014 #90

I have reviewed history Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #166

the original poster had an emotional response to the killing of innocent people samsingh Oct 2014 #93

I understand that as well, Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #211

we're basically progressives or liberals on this board looking for ways to make the world better samsingh Oct 2014 #228

True, but it is shocking to me Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #229

Unfounded accusation get the red out Oct 2014 #137

This message was self-deleted by its author get the red out Oct 2014 #178

Again, these people have serious problems that need to be addressed Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #47

I am 100% fully comfortable in recommending extermination for this particular TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #53

OK, Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #72

LOL--they're not a race, nationality, a tribe, a religion. TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #79

+1,000,000 cosmicone Oct 2014 #102

Ummm, no Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #139

They're a terrorist organization. They come from all over the world to TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #141

I am not defending them and you know it. Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #143

The world has two choices: Ignore them, or kill them. TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #151

And Americans have killed Iraqis, Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #155

You can pull up whatever "whataboutisms" you like, or compare me to whomever TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #156

Really? Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #161

Actually, it does work on Al Qaeda. Not permanently, but it does set them back TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #164

Please show me where Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #176

Oh, I finally get it. You are upset with my specific wording. TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #186

Still haven't answered the questions Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #193

The rest of the civilized, peaceful world decides they can't be tolerated, because TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #201

By all means Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #202

Plenty of proof. I don't know that anyone else on earth disputes TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #203

It is very simple Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #216

You ARE and have been defending them and it is evident from your posts cosmicone Oct 2014 #152

No, defending them would be saying they shouldn't be punished Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #153

You're defending them from "genocide" treestar Oct 2014 #214

The poster advocated Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #218

ISIS would not be victims of genocide treestar Oct 2014 #219

Again, the definition academically and legally of genocide is VERY specific Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #222

This message was self-deleted by its author Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #213

how do you suppose we should react to the thousands of men and women being killed and raped by isis samsingh Oct 2014 #92

And what country is responsible for illegally Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #142

some good points samsingh Oct 2014 #144

I never said "ignore the massacres" Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #159

They made the decision themselves Iamthetruth Oct 2014 #86

And have we not made the decision ourselves by the way we treated people Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #180

Last time I checked Iamthetruth Oct 2014 #187

Really, based on what evidence are all the people Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #196

cheney, is that you? noiretextatique Oct 2014 #232

5,000 chemical warheads Iamthetruth Oct 2014 #238

LOL Iamthetruth Oct 2014 #85

They think they are educated CanonRay Oct 2014 #104

I prefer killing 840high Oct 2014 #172

They educated themselves treestar Oct 2014 #212

A lot of what you are saying about what is and isn't a war crime Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #220

you are right and people discussing education should personally samsingh Oct 2014 #57

And people who advocate for "extermination" Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #74

I agree with you and Nietzsche on this one: CJCRANE Oct 2014 #81

Correct Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #185

Too bad we didn't do that to the South AMIRITE? /nt Ash_F Oct 2014 #140

They're not doing themselves any favors. CJCRANE Oct 2014 #2

I suspect that it's to attract degenerates from all over who are into that sort of thing. Fantastic Anarchist Oct 2014 #10

I agree, I think that's a big part of it. CJCRANE Oct 2014 #14

I think you're right PatSeg Oct 2014 #18

Yep, for these nitwits, opportunity presented themselves to be a "man" <---note quotes Fantastic Anarchist Oct 2014 #36

Yes, that is how it appears! PatSeg Oct 2014 #65

i don' think any other major religion would be used for the level of violence we are seeing samsingh Oct 2014 #61

Probably not today so much PatSeg Oct 2014 #68

i'm looking at this century and the last not hundreds of years ago. samsingh Oct 2014 #91

Any religion could be used if you put in hundreds of millions of dollars CJCRANE Oct 2014 #83

the militant islamists are funding the militant islamists samsingh Oct 2014 #150

Christians have been quite violent since Constantine. JDPriestly Oct 2014 #191

seriously, we're talking 1576? samsingh Oct 2014 #204

You only need to go back to the 1940s.... blackspade Oct 2014 #206

It's about respect and honor Yupster Oct 2014 #100

I refuse to be an apologist for these brutal practices cosmicone Oct 2014 #103

I'm with you Yupster Oct 2014 #107

That's not fun to read. Rhinodawg Oct 2014 #112

Explaining away barbaric practices as sensible cosmicone Oct 2014 #115

Kill them all Yupster Oct 2014 #125

Your view is to try to deal with what is motivating them. That is a part of a good approach. JDPriestly Oct 2014 #194

You're an apologist for the mass murder of thousands in Egypt, though Scootaloo Oct 2014 #127

how does that explain the Brits and others from Western Nations JI7 Oct 2014 #134

Peer pressure. Because they are outsiders, they feel they must prove themselves by being JDPriestly Oct 2014 #195

Remember: we are not their target audience Bragi Oct 2014 #23

It's a real draw for them Yupster Oct 2014 #99

I will mock anything contrary to the natural rights of man . . . Jack Rabbit Oct 2014 #3

Agreed. freshwest Oct 2014 #233

why do they keep reminding me of ChairmanAgnostic Oct 2014 #4

maybe.... Psephos Oct 2014 #21

I wish ChairmanAgnostic Oct 2014 #24

Who cares what they pray? Psephos Oct 2014 #25

Preach! 7962 Oct 2014 #48

well, we disagree then. ChairmanAgnostic Oct 2014 #62

fair enough Psephos Oct 2014 #111

"Call me when the baptists start capturing women as spoils of war, and burying their enemies alive." FiveGoodMen Oct 2014 #75

That was the Catholics, not the baptists. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #77

Could you try something a little fresher than six centuries ago? Psephos Oct 2014 #110

The discussion is also about what may happen in the future FiveGoodMen Oct 2014 #154

They're not even 1% and everybody else rejects their crazy bullshit. Throd Oct 2014 #181

A mere 150 years ago Democrats fought to keep slavery. Psephos Oct 2014 #190

The Tea Party already has the pro-slave vote agentS Oct 2014 #226

LOL, Wonder what the year 1407 would have been like if they had the intertubes? snooper2 Oct 2014 #230

The past casts its shadow over the present. JDPriestly Oct 2014 #192

Of all the crazy things said by Pat Robertson, etc. treestar Oct 2014 #215

How convenient Turbineguy Oct 2014 #5

These guys make Tamerlane look like a wimpy progressive. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2014 #6

Capturing school girls in Nigeria, gang rapes in India... TomCADem Oct 2014 #7

Well, the school girls in Nigeria were kidnapped by Boko Haram denem Oct 2014 #39

gang rapes in India are not being done in the name of religion and are samsingh Oct 2014 #63

Religion-based attitudes to women play a big role. CJCRANE Oct 2014 #89

The women are the spoils of war. They are shared as a reward to the men who commit the violence. JDPriestly Oct 2014 #197

I Don't Think Victims Really Care Whether They Are Being Raped... TomCADem Oct 2014 #105

i think this discussion was started in a religious group encouraging rape samsingh Oct 2014 #148

Raises the question: Are these (or any)fundamentalists 'real'? Should I not believe they are real if pampango Oct 2014 #8

They are 'real', it's just not exactly clear where they appeared from CJCRANE Oct 2014 #11

The key is, as you posted, getting the correct information - the facts - and basing policy pampango Oct 2014 #12

This guy has to be the most vile POS on the planet. iandhr Oct 2014 #9

Is anyone surprised? cosmicone Oct 2014 #13

I'm not surprised. ISIS is following the Qu'ran, literally. Dems to Win Oct 2014 #17

exactly samsingh Oct 2014 #64

Gen. Patton called them the 'Barbarian Hordes' in WWII big_dog Oct 2014 #19

Correct. This is nothing new. They've believed this for centuries. 7962 Oct 2014 #51

it is part of the ideology and isis is emulating completely samsingh Oct 2014 #66

These ISIS fucks are crazy. blackspade Oct 2014 #15

Crazy but effective. candelista Oct 2014 #157

A link to a very good article on "Dabiq" Bragi Oct 2014 #16

Gen Jack Keane mentioned on the front website sited in your link...... riversedge Oct 2014 #22

Thanks for that Bragi Oct 2014 #26

Good. I am not riversedge Oct 2014 #33

So who can be trusted to tell the truth or at least ot present an unbiased view. JDPriestly Oct 2014 #34

Answer: usually no-one Bragi Oct 2014 #37

Me too. JDPriestly Oct 2014 #43

ISW is a neocon outfit that sponsors the Kagans, who are pushing for a 25,000-strong TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #41

From the pdf at the link: freshwest Oct 2014 #235

OK. Now these are the facts about Islam that modern Muslims do not acknowledge in my JDPriestly Oct 2014 #20

Muslim invasions in India were extremely heinous cosmicone Oct 2014 #27

It is a matter of being honest about the past. JDPriestly Oct 2014 #31

+1,000,000 n/t cosmicone Oct 2014 #32

"Using warfare, brutality and enslavement to spread religion is unique to Islam" is BS. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2014 #46

I don't hate Islam at all. cosmicone Oct 2014 #49

If you think there is no religious-inspired violence in Hindu or Buddhist societies CJCRANE Oct 2014 #73

Read my post AGAIN please cosmicone Oct 2014 #84

I don't know. Give Ann Coulter $500 million CJCRANE Oct 2014 #88

False equivalence to make Islam sound kind and gentle. cosmicone Oct 2014 #95

I respect all religions. I think they are all equally good and equally bad CJCRANE Oct 2014 #96

I am stating facts. cosmicone Oct 2014 #98

it's sad to see that people still don't understand that all religions are not the same samsingh Oct 2014 #149

I see that too. Rhinodawg Oct 2014 #171

except that they are forceably converting people to islam or killing them samsingh Oct 2014 #205

The seeds of violence in the Muslim religion are in the Koran. JDPriestly Oct 2014 #189

they have not samsingh Oct 2014 #146

Forced Christian conversion, since you don't know about it. kwassa Oct 2014 #109

Oh -- those two examples make ISIS alright? cosmicone Oct 2014 #113

You make up your own facts. kwassa Oct 2014 #120

Yes. After Constantine "the Great." JDPriestly Oct 2014 #199

Your interpretation of warfare and brutality in the spreading of religion... blackspade Oct 2014 #207

Grumpy.... Rhinodawg Oct 2014 #170

Christians only did that after Constantine made Christianity his religion. He was a warrior JDPriestly Oct 2014 #184

Ever heard of the Crusades? Violence against others, against each other, many historical examples. kwassa Oct 2014 #108

Again, you have to delve way deep in history cosmicone Oct 2014 #114

who is trying to justify ISIS? Not me. kwassa Oct 2014 #119

Utah Territory. Murder, kidnappings, massacres, genocide of native peoples. Mid 1800s. LeftyMom Oct 2014 #126

Yes. My point was that Mohammed was violent and conducted wars to convert people to his JDPriestly Oct 2014 #132

And what is the importance of this point? kwassa Oct 2014 #169

He lead violetn troops. He was violent. JDPriestly Oct 2014 #173

ISIS has it's own cherry-picked version of Islam, which is contested by kwassa Oct 2014 #174

Correct. The Old Testament is violent. JDPriestly Oct 2014 #177

Christians still worship the Old Testament. kwassa Oct 2014 #208

There is a lot important in Islam as there is in the Old Testament. JDPriestly Oct 2014 #223

. kwassa Oct 2014 #224

I must apologize for my many typos. JDPriestly Oct 2014 #231

Jesus Fucking Christ it's the year 2014 tabasco Oct 2014 #225

Do you have a point? kwassa Oct 2014 #227

Read the Pentateuch sometime Scootaloo Oct 2014 #128

But the New Testament describes very little violence other than Jesus' death. JDPriestly Oct 2014 #131

The New Testament postpones religious violence to the afterlife. candelista Oct 2014 #158

I wish ISIS would trust that God would avenge the evildoers once the evildoers die. JDPriestly Oct 2014 #200

Shush get the red out Oct 2014 #179

Yazidi girls are being sold for $1000 denem Oct 2014 #35

WTF do you expect ? Rhinodawg Oct 2014 #175

I wish you'd clarify that statement. Concubine is the correct term. ISIS is using a proven strategy. freshwest Oct 2014 #236

Dear ISIS or ISIL or whatever you idiots call yourselves: Brigid Oct 2014 #38

all religions defend the indefensible Skittles Oct 2014 #52

Really? Brigid Oct 2014 #56

varying degrees of idiocy Skittles Oct 2014 #60

Not in my (Methodist) church. Brigid Oct 2014 #69

yeah, high fashion Skittles Oct 2014 #76

I think we're done here. Brigid Oct 2014 #80

LOL Skittles Oct 2014 #133

I think all religion is ridiculous..... but... Adrahil Oct 2014 #217

This isva good example of why some people do not deserve to live. Thinkingabout Oct 2014 #42

it's not possible to negotiate or reason with rollin74 Oct 2014 #54

They are not Islamic mwrguy Oct 2014 #55

they follow sharia law samsingh Oct 2014 #67

They say. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2014 #70

read up on sharia law - they are following it to the letter samsingh Oct 2014 #94

They are following their interpretation of it. CJCRANE Oct 2014 #97

It is not interpretation cosmicone Oct 2014 #101

there is no beauty in what sharia law is used to do samsingh Oct 2014 #145

Follow your own advice. Scootaloo Oct 2014 #130

+1 (n/t) Nihil Oct 2014 #138

talking law law in the context of the discussion is moronic samsingh Oct 2014 #147

They follow an extreme interpretation of Islamic law. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #106

Quaran 9:5 candelista Oct 2014 #116

Well it is just one passage in the Koran. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #118

There are also many glorious accounts of Mohammad's military adventures candelista Oct 2014 #121

I have not read the Koran so i can not speak to it but i can tell you that all the Muslims i know hrmjustin Oct 2014 #122

That's why I compared it to the Old Testament. candelista Oct 2014 #123

Oh i see what you mean. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #124

These guys really ARE like a bunch of bikers tearassing into town.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2014 #78

When you need to justify slavery, you lose. sakabatou Oct 2014 #117

Mission accomplished, on IS' part Scootaloo Oct 2014 #129

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2014 #135

There is no place in todays world for barbarian killers, looters & kidnappers Sunlei Oct 2014 #160

No, there is. Throd Oct 2014 #182

Has Julius Streicher been reincarnated, and posting on this thread? closeupready Oct 2014 #221