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In reply to the discussion: Second Dallas nurse with Ebola was on Frontier Airlines flight 1143Article title [View all]LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)30. Really, you think....
"When viruses enter a cell, they make copies of their genetic information to assemble new virus particles. Viruses such as Ebola virus, which have genetic information in the form of RNA (not DNA as in other organisms), are notoriously bad at copying their genome. The viral enzyme that copies the RNA makes many errors, perhaps as many as one or two each time the viral genome is reproduced. There is no question that RNA viruses are the masters of mutation. This fact is in part why we need a new influenza virus vaccine every few years.
The more hosts infected by a virus, the more mutations will arise. Not all of these mutations will find their way into infectious virus particles because they cause lethal defects. But Osterholms statement that the evolution of Ebola virus is unprecedented is simply not correct. It is only what we know. The virus was only discovered to infect humans in 1976, but it surely infected humans long before that. Furthermore, the virus has been replicating, probably for millions of years, in an animal reservoir, possibly bats. There has been ample opportunity for the virus to undergo mutation.
More problematic is Osterholms assumption that mutation of Ebola virus will give rise to viruses that can transmit via the airborne route:
If certain mutations occurred, it would mean that just breathing would put one at risk of contracting Ebola. Infections could spread quickly to every part of the globe, as the H1N1 influenza virus did in 2009, after its birth in Mexico.
The key phrase here is certain mutations. We simply dont know how many mutations, in which viral genes, would be necessary to enable airborne transmission of Ebola virus, or if such mutations would even be compatible with the ability of the virus to propagate. What allows a virus to be transmitted through the air has until recently been unknown. We cant simply compare viruses that do transmit via aerosols (e.g. influenza virus) with viruses that do not (e.g. HIV-1) because they are too different to allow meaningful conclusions.
One approach to this conundrum would be to take a virus that does not transmit among mammals by aerosols such as avian influenza H5N1 virus and endow it with that property. This experiment was done by Fouchier and Kawaoka several years ago, and revealed that multiple amino acid changes are required to allow airborne transmission of H5N1 virus among ferrets. These experiments were met with a storm of protest from individuals among them Michael Osterholm who thought they were too dangerous. Do you want us to think about airborne transmission, and do experiments to understand it or not?
The other important message from the Fouchier-Kawaoka ferret experiments is that the H5N1 virus that could transmit through the air had lost its ability to kill. The message is clear: gain of function (airborne transmission) is accompanied by loss of function (virulence)."
http://www.virology.ws/2014/09/18/what-we-are-not-afraid-to-say-about-ebola-virus/
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Second Dallas nurse with Ebola was on Frontier Airlines flight 1143Article title [View all]
candelista
Oct 2014
OP
He is handling it, in spite of our wonderful media trying to give a different impression
still_one
Oct 2014
#1
What resources and/or authority does Obama (or any President) have to handle an epidemic?.
hedgehog
Oct 2014
#3
"Why hasn’t the U.S. closed its airports to travelers from Ebola-ravaged countries?"
candelista
Oct 2014
#32
Tell that to all the people in connecting airports and countries all connecting planes.
uppityperson
Oct 2014
#89
IIRC, the US had some sort of quarantine/health emergency containment measure until just a few
amandabeech
Oct 2014
#50
Especially THIS President, who has a whole phalanx of enemy operatives deliberately standing in his
calimary
Oct 2014
#62
The Times has an article today about how weak the protocol and protection was for this hospital...
C Moon
Oct 2014
#6
I believe I heard or read (maybe here)...that that nurses complained that their necks weren't...
C Moon
Oct 2014
#12
Please provide a link to the epidemiologic evidence that this virus has switched from droplet spread
kestrel91316
Oct 2014
#115
It hasn't "mutated." But that fact won't get in the way of fearful people claiming it has.
PSPS
Oct 2014
#61
Speculation during an interview is just a tad different than published, peer-reviewed
kestrel91316
Oct 2014
#116
"The Virus has MUTATED" < Please post the lab sample you have to back this up. n/t
jtuck004
Oct 2014
#16
Waste of time, people who switch subject when they are found to be lacking. bye. n/t
jtuck004
Oct 2014
#21
You owe that poster an apology--he/she did not say the virus had mutated. It was the poster who
MADem
Oct 2014
#55
YMMV is Your Mileage May Vary--it's usually a term that is used when two people have
MADem
Oct 2014
#133
Comments during an interview do not equal published, peer-reviewed results of controlled studies.
kestrel91316
Oct 2014
#117
"That is my right to shout if I so choose." Who said anything about rights? Suit yourself.
yellowcanine
Oct 2014
#59
Not true - both the CDC and the NIH are involved -- too bad there is no surgeon gengeral
karynnj
Oct 2014
#67
Please provide the scientific evidence/epidemiological data to prove that Ebola has "mutated".
kestrel91316
Oct 2014
#113
Hard to believe that the health care workers who treated Mr. Duncan were not told to stay put.
hamsterjill
Oct 2014
#26
He's handling it fine. CDC is stepping in to show the children how the grownups do things.
kestrel91316
Oct 2014
#66
The repukes are directly responsible for the CDC being rudderless and should be directly blamed
truthisfreedom
Oct 2014
#108
Oh, sorry, my bad. I didn't realize that, but it makes sense, he's a GENERAL, kestrel!
kestrel91316
Oct 2014
#127
Ebola poll: N.J. residents fear an outbreak in U.S., but aren't well-informed about disease
Tarheel_Dem
Oct 2014
#131