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magical thyme

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11. Now that we have the facts, I'm very sad that he died because he potentially could have been saved
Sun Oct 19, 2014, 12:55 PM
Oct 2014

if he'd been isolated and admitted immediately, and then sent to one of the 4 BSL-4 hospitals where they are prepared and know what they're doing, he might have had a fighting chance. There still would have been no Zmapp, and Dr. Brantly is type A, whereas Duncan was type B, so no plasma w/antibodies available. But the doctors at Nebraska and Emory had already reviewed the available experimental treatments treating the other patients and would have been faster at picking his best options. And treating experimentally sooner would have enabled them to choose a more aggressive treatment, before the infection left him as fragile as he was once his organs were failing.

His death will not be in vain, though. While that hospital has been caught totally with their pants down and is losing business daily as a result, hospitals around the country are waking up, taking notice and planning for possible cases.

The CDC was also caught totally with their pants down. Hopefully they will bring their protocol up to WHO standards. That is what the main hospital in the chain I'm involved with is doing -- following WHO protocols that are much more stringent than the CDC's.

And more important, hopefully this will bring them the funding desperately needed so this sort of slip up doesn't happen again any time soon. WHO, CDC, etc. brought SARs under control quickly and the avian flu scare never materialized, so I think people got complacent.

Americans who have been ignoring the tragedy that's been unfolding for months in W. Africa are finally at least waking up to it, although I expect once the media dies down they'll forget about it again.

In the meantime, the more I read about what the nurses went through -- the total lack of protocol, followed by inadequate protocol and in some cases dangerous makeshift arrangements -- it's a relief they're being treated at the BSL-4 hosptials.

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... kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #1
I do NOT share your seniment. Burf-_- Oct 2014 #3
It is, as my mother would have said, extremely kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #5
I disagree with the poster's comment as well. But is it really necessary to insult his or her totodeinhere Oct 2014 #7
I COMPLETELY agree with you Kestrel NO HOME TRAINING, OBVIOUSLY Ecumenist Oct 2014 #9
If he was a drunk driver christx30 Oct 2014 #26
How do you know he lied? Did you interrogate Mr. Duncan? greatlaurel Oct 2014 #38
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Your second Dorian Gray Oct 2014 #48
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I worded that very poorly! Dorian Gray Oct 2014 #55
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Thanks Dorian Gray Oct 2014 #57
I worded that badly Dorian Gray Oct 2014 #54
You don't know that he lied Dorian Gray Oct 2014 #47
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he did not LIE heaven05 Oct 2014 #58
But, wait, he was the black devil incarnate, so the media says, so we must think...please consider Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #2
a terrible punishment for helping a pregnant teen pitohui Oct 2014 #4
Very well stated. My condolences to his family and friends. greatlaurel Oct 2014 #31
And someone actually called him a terrorist right here on DU. Jamastiene Oct 2014 #39
Omaha Steve, thank you so much for your following up on this story. freshwest Oct 2014 #6
Bravo! - nt KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #8
This is misleading. LisaL Oct 2014 #12
From the link, he didn't get what he needed: freshwest Oct 2014 #15
A source for what? LisaL Oct 2014 #18
If I'd seen it, I wouldn't have asked. We've been inundated with 'widely reported' stories from MSM, freshwest Oct 2014 #22
If anyone must be blamed for Ebola it should be the Republicans for their budget slashing and not Louisiana1976 Oct 2014 #27
Yes, that is clearly where the blame belongs as they slashed CDC funding by the hundreds of millions freshwest Oct 2014 #34
+2 nomorenomore08 Oct 2014 #46
NC repub who called for all who 'looked ' like they have Ebola to be shot on site...this was one of my lunasun Oct 2014 #53
edit: at the NIH facility, Nina Pham has two nurses with her 24x7 magical thyme Oct 2014 #16
CDC's new guidlines call for severly limting stuff. LisaL Oct 2014 #19
I am aware of that as well. the point is that the BCL-4 hospitals used that as part of their protoco magical thyme Oct 2014 #21
Yes, I know that. LisaL Oct 2014 #23
the point is that he did not receive the same level care as others have magical thyme Oct 2014 #24
Do you think all of us receive the best care possible when we go into ER? LisaL Oct 2014 #25
of course not, and I know that in my own experience. But even after he was in the ICU, his magical thyme Oct 2014 #29
So he gotten the same kind of treatment the rest of us do when we go to the regular hospital. LisaL Oct 2014 #32
yes, due to his misfortune of being the first diagnosed ebola patient here magical thyme Oct 2014 #35
Thank you for sharing that Dorian Gray Oct 2014 #49
Lying and causing others to be infected is "compassionate"? FLPanhandle Oct 2014 #10
the family says he didn't know he was infected and that he avoided exposure at all costs magical thyme Oct 2014 #30
His nephew said Mr. Duncan denied even helping the pregnant woman. LisaL Oct 2014 #33
I give more credence to somebody who was there than somebody who wasn't there magical thyme Oct 2014 #36
Per NYT, he helped to carry her. LisaL Oct 2014 #37
Family carried her to the car, sat in back with her while Duncan drove.Then he helped carry her home uppityperson Oct 2014 #40
It certainly appears he had contact with the woman. LisaL Oct 2014 #42
I read that article and didn't see where he said Duncan didn't help her. uppityperson Oct 2014 #43
His nephew here in the US. Read the OP. LisaL Oct 2014 #44
This bit? Thanks, didn't read that. More research, my findings and conclusion. uppityperson Oct 2014 #45
Now that we have the facts, I'm very sad that he died because he potentially could have been saved magical thyme Oct 2014 #11
He was put on ventilator, dialysis and experimental drug. LisaL Oct 2014 #13
I am fully aware of those things. magical thyme Oct 2014 #14
The drug he was on wasn't even tested on animals. LisaL Oct 2014 #17
I am aware of that as well. In vitro, it prevents replication. magical thyme Oct 2014 #20
RIP Mr. Duncan. uppityperson Oct 2014 #41
First Ebola victim? As of now he's the only one tularetom Oct 2014 #52
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