Latest Breaking News

MADem

(135,425 posts)

85. They got away with that until 22 years ago.

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 10:38 PM

Apr 2012

Last edited Sat Apr 7, 2012, 11:18 PM - Edit history (1)

The owner of that pretty cesspool said as long as he was in charge, the golfers would always be white and the caddies would always be black--and no I am not kidding.

For years, the golfers at the Masters couldn't use their own caddies--they had to use one of the 'club-supplied Bagger Vance's' -- if you look at old Master's footage, you will see this. It's outrageous. People put up with that shit, too. They act like this is some great "venerated" tradition--bullshit! The Masters has only been happening since the mid-thirties--hardly a Mint Julep and Miss Scarlett "tradition" from the days of the old plantations, or what-have-you.

Coddling bigots on the public airwaves, with funding from corporations who have shareholders of both genders, is bullshit. I agreed with Martha Burk when she raised this stink years ago, and I still agree with her.

Sam Snead and his Augusta-supplied black caddy in the late fifties

Ben Hogan and his Augusta-supplied black caddy in the mid-fifties

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

134 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

Obama: It�s time for Augusta golf club to admit women members [View all] kpete Apr 2012 OP

I agree with him. It's backassward thinking to discriminate in this day and age. MADem Apr 2012 #1

I actually think this would be pretty easy for Romney to respond to. Bonduel Apr 2012 #74

What about other exclusionary clubs? Puzzledtraveller Apr 2012 #2

The Masters Club isn't comparable with other such clubs like Alpha Phi Alpha or alp227 Apr 2012 #4

How? Just asking... BadtotheboneBob Apr 2012 #7

Augusta National Golf Club AngryAmish Apr 2012 #11

Here's one article NoGOPZone Apr 2012 #14

Article just assumes there are no women members or that there is a no woman policy AngryAmish Apr 2012 #16

Here's another article with the same 'assumption' NoGOPZone Apr 2012 #17

My point is you cannot find the bylaws AngryAmish Apr 2012 #21

It is irrelevant (to nearly everyone except the RW appointees on the Supreme Ct) whether there is a spooky3 Apr 2012 #56

Actually, someone is selling a copy of the 79 bylaws online. MADem Apr 2012 #80

I think he is calling attention to the issue goclark Apr 2012 #99

Romney agrees with Obama on this--for once. MADem Apr 2012 #102

Sounds like Mitt is trying to move more to the center goclark Apr 2012 #105

Shake, shake, shake,..... shake, shake, shake! MADem Apr 2012 #106

and here's one where the club chairman NoGOPZone Apr 2012 #18

From what I can see, they won't release their bylaws, but they clearly have a longstanding cbayer Apr 2012 #19

Every member gets a copy of the bylaws, in a cute little green booklet, every year. MADem Apr 2012 #89

This message was self-deleted by its author NoGOPZone Apr 2012 #61

No women. It's a founding premise. MADem Apr 2012 #76

His language was very careful. MADem Apr 2012 #75

But then they'd have to bring all their vagina stuff and they'd vagina all over the place. Ian David Apr 2012 #3

Serious question DJ13 Apr 2012 #5

The issue is all over the news this year specifically because .... JoePhilly Apr 2012 #8

Heard a story about this yesterday. cbayer Apr 2012 #10

LOL Iliyah Apr 2012 #53

Corporations are People coldbeer Apr 2012 #72

If corporations are people, they shouldn't be discriminating against other people on public airwaves MADem Apr 2012 #81

Obama is daring Romney and Santorum to weigh in on this topic. JoePhilly Apr 2012 #6

Romney has agreed with Obama already. MADem Apr 2012 #78

Why is he commenting on this? emilyg Apr 2012 #9

Because the Republicans will need to respond too shawn703 Apr 2012 #13

IMO - not presidential concern. emilyg Apr 2012 #15

Discrimination is not a presidential concern? Skinner Apr 2012 #20

There is discrimination and illegal discrimination AngryAmish Apr 2012 #23

DU chooses its members based on their political ideology, not whether they have a penis. Skinner Apr 2012 #24

A private club can choose it's members based on all sorts of silly qualifications AngryAmish Apr 2012 #25

Let's just bottom line this. Skinner Apr 2012 #26

Obama was smart to take the moderate -- not progressive position -- that he did. pnwmom Apr 2012 #32

I believe they are holding the same opinion on this issue. SlimJimmy Apr 2012 #92

It is not a club I would join (but let's face facts they ain't inviting me). AngryAmish Apr 2012 #33

"pools, gardens, tennis, a restaurant, social life and all that." mac56 Apr 2012 #37

Stereotyping against country clubs? AngryAmish Apr 2012 #38

Wow. Do you realize that a lot of business takes place on golf courses and that cbayer Apr 2012 #39

99.75% of golf courses allow women AngryAmish Apr 2012 #42

Wrong. It does harm women. cbayer Apr 2012 #48

The short answer is there are many organizations that discriminate on all sorts of bases AngryAmish Apr 2012 #51

What if the big meeting of the business you are engaged in is being held on the links at Augusta? MADem Apr 2012 #88

How do you feel about this scenario? joeglow3 Apr 2012 #47

There are trade associations specifically for minority groups in all kinds of businesses. cbayer Apr 2012 #49

So, discrimination is okay because I MIGHT get invited in 10 years? joeglow3 Apr 2012 #97

How about this scenario? MADem Apr 2012 #91

Women are allowed to play at ANGC, not be members. AngryAmish Apr 2012 #96

Well, aren't they the lucky ducks! No problem, then! Silly things! MADem Apr 2012 #98

Exactly. And some businesses take deductions for their payments for memberships. spooky3 Apr 2012 #55

In fact, the club was cowed into taking their first black member in 1990 because cbayer Apr 2012 #58

"It is not a club I would join" PassingFair Apr 2012 #93

Private golf club? yes. emilyg Apr 2012 #62

And if they were discriminating against African Americans... Skinner Apr 2012 #63

I wanted to ask the poster that question but didn't obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #67

I would certainly disapprove. But there is a difference Bonduel Apr 2012 #73

They got away with that until 22 years ago. MADem Apr 2012 #85

Corporations take profits generated from people of both genders to fund a golf show broadcast on MADem Apr 2012 #83

Freepers can stop being freezers ... not sure IBM's CEO can easily "change" ... JoePhilly Apr 2012 #27

^^^ Win ^^^ WilliamPitt Apr 2012 #43

It's a private club. How about emilyg Apr 2012 #46

it is NOT a "private" club when businesses deduct membership costs, where advertising revenue is spooky3 Apr 2012 #57

Of course it is obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #66

And by staking out the moderate position, Obama is forcing Romney further right. pnwmom Apr 2012 #29

There is no daylight between Romney and Obama on this particular matter. None. nt MADem Apr 2012 #86

I think that's why he said it Courtesy Flush Apr 2012 #52

His press secretary was asked... Drunken Irishman Apr 2012 #64

Because Augusta SHOULD admit female members? Arkana Apr 2012 #65

Just to irritate you. nt NYC Liberal Apr 2012 #69

It's an issue. It matters. Remember Martha Burk? She's back. MADem Apr 2012 #82

Why, is there a law that says a president cant comment on it or on other issues? cstanleytech Apr 2012 #114

Why would any woman want to join? Redford Apr 2012 #12

Because a lot of business takes place on golf course, particularly courses like this. cbayer Apr 2012 #31

As a member you can bring your business colleagues to play at one of the best courses in the USA. MADem Apr 2012 #87

When Eisenhower basically said he would enforce the law when it came to desegregating schools, it merbex Apr 2012 #22

Masters not Mistresses CAPHAVOC Apr 2012 #28

Did you really just say this? cbayer Apr 2012 #34

I shoulda brought a book, some tanning lotion, and a lawn chair. CAPHAVOC Apr 2012 #35

If they were slower players than you, why didn't you just ask them if you could play through? cbayer Apr 2012 #40

I am Joking you. CAPHAVOC Apr 2012 #41

We just played "over" them. CAPHAVOC Apr 2012 #50

It was a decidedly unfunny comment. MADem Apr 2012 #126

lol harun Apr 2012 #45

Its a private club HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #30

They went two years with no advertisers before AngryAmish Apr 2012 #36

And how would you feel if they continued to block African Americans from membership, as they did at spooky3 Apr 2012 #54

Please provide evidence Sgent Apr 2012 #60

Actually it is a private club and if they wanted to block someone from joining based on their skin cstanleytech Apr 2012 #115

You think those corporations would continue to sponsor without the ability to advertise on network MADem Apr 2012 #108

If you think the prize money is the only reason people compete in the Masters, you are extremely Hosnon Apr 2012 #109

No, I'm not "extremely unfamiliar with the tournament." MADem Apr 2012 #120

I'm not quite sure where your level of disdain comes from, but it is quite clear it is high. Hosnon Apr 2012 #122

Her name is Burk, not Burke. MADem Apr 2012 #124

I find it interesting that you find that interesting. Hosnon Apr 2012 #129

What does the "growth rate" of investing the purse have to do with the prize money? Answer-nothing. MADem Apr 2012 #128

Bill Gates is a member of ANGC, so is Warren Buffet (or so they say) AngryAmish Apr 2012 #118

Perhaps they can be persuaded to see why that's a bad move, if that is true. MADem Apr 2012 #119

Sweeet!! Chakaconcarne Apr 2012 #44

Thanks President Obama for being the wise adult in the room. Dont call me Shirley Apr 2012 #59

Is it ok for many Curves fitness centers to exclude men? madville Apr 2012 #68

I imagine many people either cannot or simply will not see the critical and relevant differences... LanternWaste Apr 2012 #79

I tend to think the reason it doesn't matter re: CURVES is because MADem Apr 2012 #101

When Curves holds a tournament sponsored by major US corporations, broadcast over FCC-licensed MADem Apr 2012 #90

I can just imagine if somebody like MoRon Paul were asked to comment on this. Jamaal510 Apr 2012 #70

why do golfers continue to play in this tournament? RainDog Apr 2012 #71

Ridiculouos. So a 1% club will get forced to allow another 1% female to join, that's progress? harun Apr 2012 #84

HUGE PRIZE MONEY. Put up by corporations with male and female shareholders and customers-- MADem Apr 2012 #103

I'm assuming you have some sort of professional or personal knowledge to back up your Hosnon Apr 2012 #112

Sure, whatever. This is the internet. MADem Apr 2012 #116

All your link provided was prize money stats. Hosnon Apr 2012 #123

The money is the motivator. MADem Apr 2012 #127

This post should probably be deleted for implying I'm a Freeper or what not. Hosnon Apr 2012 #130

It's the prestige. Despite what a few are claiming here, it is not only about the prize money. Hosnon Apr 2012 #111

The point of it all, to me RainDog Apr 2012 #113

A million and a half bucks isn't chicken feed. It is about the money. MADem Apr 2012 #117

Of course it's not chicken feed. But anyone with a modicum of golf knowledge, specifically, Hosnon Apr 2012 #121

As I have iterated elsewhere, I don't find your arguments credible. MADem Apr 2012 #125

The club also couldn't give away tickets to the tournament 50 years ago. Hosnon Apr 2012 #131

Whatever. MADem Apr 2012 #134

If Augusta ever had it's "major" status yanked, its clout and popularity would fall off a cliff Blue_Tires Apr 2012 #132

That's more plausible than reducing or removing the prize money. Hosnon Apr 2012 #133

read through the entire thread and replaced the word 'woman' with the word 'gay'. LanternWaste Apr 2012 #77

I'm a gay male, and was born and raised in Augusta (and still live here). Hosnon Apr 2012 #110

Being male chervilant Apr 2012 #94

As a female, I really don't care - lynne Apr 2012 #95

Do those "gals" clubs cut multi-million dollar deals with FCC licensed television stations? MADem Apr 2012 #104

well said. nt La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2012 #107

Screw Playing Golf With A Bunch Of Rich White Men raindaddy Apr 2012 #100