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102. Ah. I see your point.

Wed Oct 22, 2014, 02:06 PM

Oct 2014

I was thinking much more about the inside the car part, not the final seconds.

BTW, I think what I had seen about the height before was the wrong Darren Wilson. I think I might have seen the Darren Wilson who is a Black guy in the St. Louis City police department, who was briefly mixed up with the white Darren Wilson in the Ferguson PD. Anyway, whether that's it or I just have a faulty memory, I retract the part about the height, because I certainly can't find anything to document now in all of the internet flotsam about this out there.

If there's a pretty sizable weight difference, even if the height is the same, then I think it's possible for someone to be in reasonable fear for their safety in a physical altercation. Possible, not probable. But one way or the other, there's still a pretty big problem with the distances involved here, which is why I remain pretty skeptical that this was a "good" shooting.

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Official autopsy shows Michael Brown had close-range wound to his hand, marijuana in system [View all] Tommymac Oct 2014 OP

So what if he had marijuana in his system sakabatou Oct 2014 #1

Yep -- what does marijuana have to do with this murder? theHandpuppet Oct 2014 #50

Exactly. He was out of range where he could harm the cop, with hands up when executed peacebird Oct 2014 #56

Because it's the first time the tox screen has been released Travelman Oct 2014 #63

Ah, I see. Thanks for the explanation. theHandpuppet Oct 2014 #79

Who knows. Travelman Oct 2014 #87

Where did you get Wilson's height? jen63 Oct 2014 #93

I'll have to go back and see where I saw that. Travelman Oct 2014 #94

It would matter if the story jen63 Oct 2014 #97

Ah. I see your point. Travelman Oct 2014 #102

He's a big guy. jen63 Oct 2014 #104

I saw that looking for the other stuff from before Travelman Oct 2014 #106

It's also hard to tell if he's standing on something XemaSab Oct 2014 #192

So you think Mike Brown just willfully decided to dive head first into the window KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #115

I didn't say that. Travelman Oct 2014 #116

The story you're quoting from immedately above appears to be only 6 hours old, judging from KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #117

Where did you get that marym625 Oct 2014 #140

The 911 call was relayed over the radio by dispatch Recursion Oct 2014 #164

But it has nothing to do with the stop. bravenak Oct 2014 #165

Not even Wilson is claiming the initial stop was about the robbery Recursion Oct 2014 #168

Where is the report saying he heard this on the radio and responded? bravenak Oct 2014 #171

I don't think Wilson's report has been released, has it? Recursion Oct 2014 #173

Exactly. bravenak Oct 2014 #178

Except we do know when dispatch sent the call out over the radio Recursion Oct 2014 #179

But who is the anonymous source? bravenak Oct 2014 #185

Because the post I was replying to marym625 Oct 2014 #194

It was announced over dispatch Recursion Oct 2014 #213

Can you please link it? marym625 Oct 2014 #218

I am not sure this is a reply to me marym625 Oct 2014 #220

The police chief says the stop had nothing to do with robbery. bravenak Oct 2014 #167

exactly! n/t marym625 Oct 2014 #195

Erm... It was linked in the post you replied to Travelman Oct 2014 #190

And his Chief says it didn't happen marym625 Oct 2014 #196

No, again, his chief says the initial stop was not about the robbery Recursion Oct 2014 #214

Why do you keep saying I am bringing it up? marym625 Oct 2014 #221

I beg to differ marym625 Oct 2014 #128

Today's autopsy results don't say that. Travelman Oct 2014 #151

Please show where you have anything official that says the gun shoot wound could not have come from marym625 Oct 2014 #191

OK. Travelman Oct 2014 #205

You're not buying things we know to be true marym625 Oct 2014 #206

Just thought you might like to hear Melinek marym625 Oct 2014 #223

So, she pretty much corroborated everything that the Post-Dispatch said she said. Travelman Oct 2014 #247

WOW marym625 Oct 2014 #248

Actually, she DID say that Travelman Oct 2014 #249

She said that she can't make a determination marym625 Oct 2014 #250

I'm sorry but there is ZERO chance that someone onecaliberal Oct 2014 #208

Erm....who claimed that? Travelman Oct 2014 #212

The so called officer onecaliberal Oct 2014 #224

And you have a link to this claim? Travelman Oct 2014 #225

A cop couldnt win a fist fight with a child? Pathetic exscuse. There is no exscuse to shoot an innoc ncjustice80 Oct 2014 #209

A child? Travelman Oct 2014 #211

Wilson himself JustAnotherGen Oct 2014 #236

Ah. I see. Travelman Oct 2014 #240

I didn't attack his appearance JustAnotherGen Oct 2014 #244

agreed. So what if there are marijuana in his system. It does not mean he was a criminal samsingh Oct 2014 #77

You have some proof of this, I hope? MontBlanc Oct 2014 #88

not sure what you're asking - my point was that who cares if there was weed in his system samsingh Oct 2014 #98

Wow what a statement Scairp Oct 2014 #92

that totally explains the shots in his back noiretextatique Oct 2014 #96

agreed. samsingh Oct 2014 #101

Which shots in the back? XemaSab Oct 2014 #103

that's a load of crap. even if - and its a big if - i accept your premise - it samsingh Oct 2014 #99

It's six shots and yes it does Scairp Oct 2014 #107

given the bullshit racist crap i'm seeing out there i'm not holding my breath but samsingh Oct 2014 #109

Eyewitnesses Scairp Oct 2014 #119

So all these black people are liars??? BronxBoy Oct 2014 #123

his agenda is pretty clear. words are wasted on him. samsingh Oct 2014 #127

I know.... BronxBoy Oct 2014 #134

According to the Washington Post, seven or eight African-American witnesses branford Oct 2014 #133

That's not the point... BronxBoy Oct 2014 #139

My only point was that we haven't yet publicly heard from all the witnesses, branford Oct 2014 #149

And I know that..... BronxBoy Oct 2014 #153

I was commenting, in part, toyour initial post branford Oct 2014 #155

Like I said... BronxBoy Oct 2014 #156

That is completely uncalled for Scairp Oct 2014 #138

Tough Shit...... BronxBoy Oct 2014 #141

Back at you Scairp Oct 2014 #142

And we are entitled to make an opinion BronxBoy Oct 2014 #147

Your opinion was that all the witnesses were liars. bravenak Oct 2014 #150

it sounds like you'd rather believe a coward police officer who had to shoot 6 to 10 times samsingh Oct 2014 #125

You have your mind made up Scairp Oct 2014 #137

You really aren't interested in the truth with comments like this. kwassa Oct 2014 #201

It's not really a big conclusion to jump to, frankly Travelman Oct 2014 #222

Thank you Scairp Oct 2014 #235

He stole a box of cigars. Wow, the threat he posed to society. kwassa Oct 2014 #242

And the other felonies? Travelman Oct 2014 #243

What other felonies? you mean the ones falsely attributed to him by right-wing websites? kwassa Oct 2014 #245

No, I mean the ones that the court and his attorney have tacitly admitted to Travelman Oct 2014 #246

Brown still doesn't qualify as a thug. YOU mischaracterize him kwassa Oct 2014 #252

Nonsense. Travelman Oct 2014 #253

It is a lack of information. Until the felony info is provided, you project. kwassa Oct 2014 #254

OK, so what do YOU call Travelman Oct 2014 #255

A bully. kwassa Oct 2014 #256

Women I know, also a female, aren't non-progressive, hate-filled racists. n/t Judi Lynn Oct 2014 #219

Awesome! Scairp Oct 2014 #234

"Thug"? That tells me all I need to know about you. Class Dismissed. Tommymac Oct 2014 #198

screw marijuana. doubt the entirity of the 'official' autopsy roguevalley Oct 2014 #120

Where is the toxicology on the officer? bravenak Oct 2014 #2

I'm really starting to detest the St. Louis Post Dispatch. Because the KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #4

I am super pissed too. bravenak Oct 2014 #7

That smug SOB McCulloch thinking he can game the system (by making it sound as though KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #10

The way they are playing it, I think they WANT a riot. bravenak Oct 2014 #13

Happened during the 60s or early 70s, IIRC. Angela Davis was charged and tried (and acquitted) KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #20

That is very interesting. bravenak Oct 2014 #26

This is disgusting marym625 Oct 2014 #47

A dozen witnesses to Darren Wilson's grand jury testimony. bravenak Oct 2014 #108

You mean Wilson, right? marym625 Oct 2014 #110

Yes. I mean Wilson was the attacker. I can see that I was not very clear there. bravenak Oct 2014 #113

a kid that was being harassed by the STLCPD marym625 Oct 2014 #118

Thank you. bravenak Oct 2014 #122

You're welcome marym625 Oct 2014 #130

I keep spreading all the evidence around. bravenak Oct 2014 #131

The trolls out there are relentless marym625 Oct 2014 #132

Why do they always go straight to the death threats? bravenak Oct 2014 #136

Unfortunately, most are seeing all the "leaked" marym625 Oct 2014 #143

Maybe my trolls like you more now?? bravenak Oct 2014 #145

nope. they sure don't like truth marym625 Oct 2014 #152

Good!!!! We need more like you!! bravenak Oct 2014 #154

Thank you marym625 Oct 2014 #158

That kid is a HERO n/t PorridgeGun Oct 2014 #207

wish there was a like button marym625 Oct 2014 #217

There is no excuse marym625 Oct 2014 #48

I live here in St. Louis, please don't encourage people to riot. Red State Rebel Oct 2014 #73

Well, geez, what would you have them do? Wait to be gunned down by your KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #83

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2014 #90

I believe in peaceful demonstration, not violent riots that harm people and local business. Red State Rebel Oct 2014 #124

I believe in not letting young blacks be gunned down for nothing more than walking KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #129

According to this Wilson held Michael's arm and fired the first shot. sheshe2 Oct 2014 #188

That site is really good. bravenak Oct 2014 #197

One of my favorite sites.... sheshe2 Oct 2014 #199

I am going to stay calm and channel my anger into something useful. bravenak Oct 2014 #200

You can write it down as well my dear bravenak. sheshe2 Oct 2014 #202

I think she will win too. bravenak Oct 2014 #203

+1000 Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #85

It was in the autopsy report Scairp Oct 2014 #121

What possible bearing does it have on the matters at hand, other than to play into and further KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #126

I don't know if it has bearing Scairp Oct 2014 #237

Initial Statements billhicks76 Oct 2014 #9

That is the most frustrating part of this whole thing. bravenak Oct 2014 #11

Conspiracy Theory billhicks76 Oct 2014 #14

I hope not, goodness! bravenak Oct 2014 #18

Why, just recently, the Chicago PD officer Jon Burge was released from prison to a halfway KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #22

That is why I consider the cop defenders to be amazingly dull. bravenak Oct 2014 #28

My wife studies domestic violence in far more detail than I. She tells me that 40% of KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #30

I agree with everything your wife says. bravenak Oct 2014 #31

Idiots Rule billhicks76 Oct 2014 #44

and look at how many years it took to get him n/t marym625 Oct 2014 #49

I wasn't there, so I don't know, but I have this "feeling" that the cop MADem Oct 2014 #37

That makes much more sense than the department's version of the tale. bravenak Oct 2014 #38

Sounds reasonable brush Oct 2014 #59

agreed Man from Pickens Oct 2014 #35

I would like to see diagrams of murielm99 Oct 2014 #24

I agree. bravenak Oct 2014 #29

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2014 #89

Where? His accomplices are not going to help prosecute their friend Taitertots Oct 2014 #95

Silly Rabbit.... BronxBoy Oct 2014 #144

And cops never lie. bravenak Oct 2014 #146

LOL..... BronxBoy Oct 2014 #148

Do Ferguson PD take a toxicology test after a shooting? I have no idea. Recursion Oct 2014 #170

Do any?????? BronxBoy Oct 2014 #176

God yes. Recursion Oct 2014 #177

If you say so.. BronxBoy Oct 2014 #182

Not sure I'd call it "funny" Recursion Oct 2014 #184

But they can smear those of their victims BronxBoy Oct 2014 #187

All we have is Wilson's word that there was a 'struggle for the gun'. It could just KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #3

That's what I think too. Sounds more like a defensive wound. BillZBubb Oct 2014 #5

Here's what a former federal prosecutor has to say about St. Louis County DA McCulloch's KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #6

It can be. My family was involved with a big story in the area and the PD logosoco Oct 2014 #53

Well, yes it could, but there is generally a presumption of innocence, no? Adrahil Oct 2014 #54

With all due respect, all that's at issue right now is whether enough KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #64

I'm undecided. Adrahil Oct 2014 #67

Oh, but see, DA McCulloch is such a grand fellow, so interested in 'fairness,' that he's KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #69

Having said that, I don't want prosecutors pressing cases they think are.... Adrahil Oct 2014 #74

Isn't the issue that those two kinds of wounds look roughly the same? Recursion Oct 2014 #160

Whitewash alert notice how the Gun 'became' unholstered on it's own. Tommymac Oct 2014 #8

As V. I. Lenin famously asked in 1903, "What is to be done?" Totally agree with KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #12

Vlad Lenin was a muderous thug. That is hardly an appropriate historical figure to reference. 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #78

Hark! Mrs. Grundy has now weighed in. - nt KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #82

Are they wrong? delta17 Oct 2014 #204

Hunh? Is who wrong? KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #210

and where is the report showing Mike Brown's marym625 Oct 2014 #51

Michael didn't look very "passive" in the shop video TexasMommaWithAHat Oct 2014 #80

I'm told over and over and over that cops are not trained to shoot to Ed Suspicious Oct 2014 #183

Yes. I think you are correct. TexasMommaWithAHat Oct 2014 #193

This is the only part I actually believe happened , that Michael Brown might scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #15

I think he saw it pointing at him a tried to push it away. bravenak Oct 2014 #19

Who wouldn't do that scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #25

I can think of no one. Guns in my face are scary. bravenak Oct 2014 #27

Is the cop a righty or lefty? Reaching in and all that... Not that it matters, its all BS anyway... winstars Oct 2014 #42

The report says that the gun was on his right hip Travelman Oct 2014 #91

Nope. I think so too. Adrahil Oct 2014 #55

Well 2naSalit Oct 2014 #16

That's a defensive wound. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2014 #17

Exactly scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #23

When someone points a gun at you it's instict to try to block the shot with your hand.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2014 #34

Or the wound you get reaching for a gun Recursion Oct 2014 #157

It's like when they say he had weed in his system.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2014 #216

of the multiple gunshot wounds described in the PDF this one is telling azurnoir Oct 2014 #21

Differs From Dr. Baden's Autopsy DallasNE Oct 2014 #32

This still doesn't explain the multiple shots gwheezie Oct 2014 #33

^^^ This ^^^ eom Tommymac Oct 2014 #45

This will be key.... Did Wilson continue firing.... Adrahil Oct 2014 #58

Are the police saying the gun was in the holster? Recursion Oct 2014 #159

The police chief said he never knew of any robbery. bravenak Oct 2014 #161

Wilson's claim is that he told them to get out of the street, heard the robbery report Recursion Oct 2014 #162

Here you go. bravenak Oct 2014 #163

Nobody's saying the initial stop was about the robbery Recursion Oct 2014 #166

Where is this report where Wilson says this? bravenak Oct 2014 #169

Why would I believe Wilson? Recursion Oct 2014 #172

Because Wilson has never claimed that he came back because he heard a robbery report. bravenak Oct 2014 #174

Wilson hasn't spoken publicly AFAIK Recursion Oct 2014 #175

So how can Wilson have said he heard the robbery report and came back? bravenak Oct 2014 #180

Why do you keep bringing up what "I believe"? Recursion Oct 2014 #181

I am just going off what you say. bravenak Oct 2014 #186

What did I tell you?? OldRedneck Oct 2014 #36

I already put money on it with my sister leftynyc Oct 2014 #40

I share your deep misgivings abut McCulloch's bona fides here. But in his defense, McCulloch KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #65

I don't care what he claims leftynyc Oct 2014 #68

McCulloch has left only the legitimacy his bayonets and white dragoons can provide. What KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #70

Agree 100% leftynyc Oct 2014 #71

They bring new meaning to the phrase "Mayberry Machiavellis". It's really KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #72

Well, then, he must have deserved execution without trial. 6000eliot Oct 2014 #39

After all, he WAS jaywalking peacebird Oct 2014 #57

No kidding. malthaussen Oct 2014 #75

Oh noes!!! The demon weed! Retrograde Oct 2014 #41

Oh my God....marijuana in his system? Hulk Oct 2014 #43

Reefer Madness. GeorgeGist Oct 2014 #46

My thought too JustAnotherGen Oct 2014 #52

have a lot of questions riverwalker Oct 2014 #60

Pot is a calming agent, so it should help MBs case. He was calm. Dont call me Shirley Oct 2014 #61

Or had just snorted a line of meth, coke or speed (or both). No tox screen KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #66

Drops of Brown's blood... cynzke Oct 2014 #62

They are laying the groundwork to madville Oct 2014 #76

I fear you may be right and there will be no justice for Michael. theHandpuppet Oct 2014 #81

Sometime in November madville Oct 2014 #84

After the election, no doubt KamaAina Oct 2014 #114

The outrage will not be cushioned The authorities are naive if they think that at this point. Tommymac Oct 2014 #86

Where's a B.S. smilie when you need one? KamaAina Oct 2014 #100

Right here my friend... bluesbassman Oct 2014 #111

ROFL! KamaAina Oct 2014 #112

I want to know more about the blood in the car. Calista241 Oct 2014 #105

Since pot relaxes users it makes abelenkpe Oct 2014 #135

He seemed fairly agreasive in the gas station video. Travis_0004 Oct 2014 #227

Wilson from all the pictures was right handed.... Historic NY Oct 2014 #189

If it was a hip holster. And if Ferguson PD uses strong side hip holstering Recursion Oct 2014 #215

Funny ... the media's subtle shift in framing ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #226

State of mind TexasMommaWithAHat Oct 2014 #228

I disagree ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #229

I don't know that he reached for the gun TexasMommaWithAHat Oct 2014 #231

The police officer stated that ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #232

That's a good point JustAnotherGen Oct 2014 #233

...and we all know pot causes "reefer madness," which is worse than PCP and bath salts put together. yurbud Oct 2014 #230

Do they know the exact order of the shots? Myrina Oct 2014 #238

Forensic pathologists can usually ascertain if an injury is pre or postmortem. nt branford Oct 2014 #241

And what do the other autopsy reports indicate? winter is coming Oct 2014 #239

This entire thread is now part of the problem JustAnotherGen Oct 2014 #251