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In reply to the discussion: Official autopsy shows Michael Brown had close-range wound to his hand, marijuana in system [View all]Travelman
(708 posts)151. Today's autopsy results don't say that.
First, there is no proof that the one shot in the arm didn't come from behind. That was stated in the initial report for from the coroner. They stated that the shot could have been from the front with his hands up or from the back with his arms down. Nothing found since refutes that.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/preliminary-autopsy-shows-michael-brown-shot-six-times/
First of all, just to be clear, this is not the initial autopsy, just the first one with findings reported. What was released today is actually the first, and I would argue most accurate, autopsy performed.
Why would I argue "most accurate?" Because this was the first crack at the evidence, and much, possibly even most of that evidence was gone by the time the second autopsy, referenced in the CBS report, was performed. By the time that autopsy was performed, Brown's body had, at the very least, already been embalmed, and there is a very significant likelihood that the body had already been washed in preparation for burial, too. As such, it is, as Dr. Baden himself admitted, incomplete and imperfect at best.
Now, with that out of the way, today's findings clearly show that the wound that allegedly showed Brown was fired upon from behind instead demonstratively shows that in fact Brown was not shot from behind nor did he have his hands up:
A sixth shot that hit the forearm traveled from the back of the arm to the inner arm, which means Browns palms could not have been facing Wilson, as some witnesses have said, Melinek said. That trajectory shows Brown probably was not taking a standard surrender position with arms above the shoulders and palms out when he was hit, she said.
The trajectory of that bullet was from the back (dorsal) side of Brown's forearm to the front (ventral) side of Brown's forearm. The trajectory of the bullet was such that the bullet moved closer to the elbow on its track. Therefore, if you were to hold your arms down to your side with your palms facing backward, the wound would come from the part of your arm facing forward on your body and exit the part of your arm facing backward on your body, and would have an upward trajectory. This would not be possible from Wilson's shooting position. If Brown had had his hands up and was facing Wilson, then the wound would have moved from ventral to dorsal, not the other way around. If Brown had had his hands up while he was facing away from Wilson, then the wound would have gone from dorsal to ventral, as this one did, but the track would be away from the elbow, not towards it.
The wound on Michael Brown's hand is a defensive wound. It indicates a drawn weapon pointed at him he was trying to push away.
It might be a defensive wound, but what it definitively shows is that Brown's right hand, at the least, was in very, very close proximity to Wilson's gun when it fired. That could be a defensive wound, as in trying to push the gun away, or it could be a wound sustained while reaching for a gun.
Tell me how he was able to reach around Wilson, pull his weapon out of the holster, and the gun would have been pointed at Brown.
Well, personally, I've never said that was the case. Wilson's narrative says that he pulled the gun himself.
There has been no evidence leaked or otherwise that says Michael Brown's prints are on the gun or the holster.
Well, no, there hasn't been, but just because fingerprint evidence has not been released to the public does not constitute definitive proof that Brown didn't reach for or touch Wilson's sidearm. Now, if that evidence gets released and there are no Brown fingerprints on Wilson's gun, then that turns into a big problem for Wilson, since, at least according to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, "Brown grabbed the pistol using his right hand."
I don't find it at all hard to believe that Wilson tried to pull him in the vehicle. More of a police attitude than anything else. The forensics back DJ's story.
Then you need to go and try that for yourself. Go find someone who weighs 300 lbs. and try to pull them through the driver's window on a car and see how well that works out.
The forensics do not back DJ's story. They positively prove that he lied. Johnson has a long history of lying, and he's been proven to have lied repeatedly in this incident.
It was not Brown that charged at Wilson that closed that 82 foot gap to 35 feet. It was Wilson chasing Brown. That's not disputed.
So Wilson dragged a 300-lb. dead body fifty feet back toward his cruiser after shooting Brown? And NOBODY noticed? And NO evidence of a blood trail from a dragged body that had two head wounds?
How does that happen?
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Official autopsy shows Michael Brown had close-range wound to his hand, marijuana in system [View all]
Tommymac
Oct 2014
OP
Exactly. He was out of range where he could harm the cop, with hands up when executed
peacebird
Oct 2014
#56
So you think Mike Brown just willfully decided to dive head first into the window
KingCharlemagne
Oct 2014
#115
The story you're quoting from immedately above appears to be only 6 hours old, judging from
KingCharlemagne
Oct 2014
#117
Please show where you have anything official that says the gun shoot wound could not have come from
marym625
Oct 2014
#191
So, she pretty much corroborated everything that the Post-Dispatch said she said.
Travelman
Oct 2014
#247
A cop couldnt win a fist fight with a child? Pathetic exscuse. There is no exscuse to shoot an innoc
ncjustice80
Oct 2014
#209
agreed. So what if there are marijuana in his system. It does not mean he was a criminal
samsingh
Oct 2014
#77
not sure what you're asking - my point was that who cares if there was weed in his system
samsingh
Oct 2014
#98
that's a load of crap. even if - and its a big if - i accept your premise - it
samsingh
Oct 2014
#99
given the bullshit racist crap i'm seeing out there i'm not holding my breath but
samsingh
Oct 2014
#109
it sounds like you'd rather believe a coward police officer who had to shoot 6 to 10 times
samsingh
Oct 2014
#125
What other felonies? you mean the ones falsely attributed to him by right-wing websites?
kwassa
Oct 2014
#245
No, I mean the ones that the court and his attorney have tacitly admitted to
Travelman
Oct 2014
#246
Women I know, also a female, aren't non-progressive, hate-filled racists. n/t
Judi Lynn
Oct 2014
#219
That smug SOB McCulloch thinking he can game the system (by making it sound as though
KingCharlemagne
Oct 2014
#10
Happened during the 60s or early 70s, IIRC. Angela Davis was charged and tried (and acquitted)
KingCharlemagne
Oct 2014
#20
Yes. I mean Wilson was the attacker. I can see that I was not very clear there.
bravenak
Oct 2014
#113
Well, geez, what would you have them do? Wait to be gunned down by your
KingCharlemagne
Oct 2014
#83
I believe in peaceful demonstration, not violent riots that harm people and local business.
Red State Rebel
Oct 2014
#124
I believe in not letting young blacks be gunned down for nothing more than walking
KingCharlemagne
Oct 2014
#129
What possible bearing does it have on the matters at hand, other than to play into and further
KingCharlemagne
Oct 2014
#126
Why, just recently, the Chicago PD officer Jon Burge was released from prison to a halfway
KingCharlemagne
Oct 2014
#22
My wife studies domestic violence in far more detail than I. She tells me that 40% of
KingCharlemagne
Oct 2014
#30
All we have is Wilson's word that there was a 'struggle for the gun'. It could just
KingCharlemagne
Oct 2014
#3
Here's what a former federal prosecutor has to say about St. Louis County DA McCulloch's
KingCharlemagne
Oct 2014
#6
Oh, but see, DA McCulloch is such a grand fellow, so interested in 'fairness,' that he's
KingCharlemagne
Oct 2014
#69
As V. I. Lenin famously asked in 1903, "What is to be done?" Totally agree with
KingCharlemagne
Oct 2014
#12
Vlad Lenin was a muderous thug. That is hardly an appropriate historical figure to reference.
3rdwaydem
Oct 2014
#78
This is the only part I actually believe happened , that Michael Brown might
scarystuffyo
Oct 2014
#15
Is the cop a righty or lefty? Reaching in and all that... Not that it matters, its all BS anyway...
winstars
Oct 2014
#42
When someone points a gun at you it's instict to try to block the shot with your hand....
Spitfire of ATJ
Oct 2014
#34
Wilson's claim is that he told them to get out of the street, heard the robbery report
Recursion
Oct 2014
#162
Because Wilson has never claimed that he came back because he heard a robbery report.
bravenak
Oct 2014
#174
I share your deep misgivings abut McCulloch's bona fides here. But in his defense, McCulloch
KingCharlemagne
Oct 2014
#65
McCulloch has left only the legitimacy his bayonets and white dragoons can provide. What
KingCharlemagne
Oct 2014
#70
They bring new meaning to the phrase "Mayberry Machiavellis". It's really
KingCharlemagne
Oct 2014
#72
Or had just snorted a line of meth, coke or speed (or both). No tox screen
KingCharlemagne
Oct 2014
#66
The outrage will not be cushioned The authorities are naive if they think that at this point.
Tommymac
Oct 2014
#86
...and we all know pot causes "reefer madness," which is worse than PCP and bath salts put together.
yurbud
Oct 2014
#230
Forensic pathologists can usually ascertain if an injury is pre or postmortem. nt
branford
Oct 2014
#241