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In reply to the discussion: Official autopsy shows Michael Brown had close-range wound to his hand, marijuana in system [View all]The autopsy report does not say from front or back. I read the official autopsy and there is nothing that says the shot could only come from the front.
Actually, it does, albeit in an oblique way. From the autopsy report:
#8. There is a gunshot entrance wound of the dorsal right forearm. This wound is located 16.0 cm below the level of the right elbow and 2.0 cm right of the posterior midline of the forearm.
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This wound pairs with the wound of the medial ventral right forearm described immediately below which is an exit wound. The path of this wound is slightly upward, forward, and leftward.
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#9. There is a gunshot exit wound of the medial ventral right forearm. This wound is located 15.0 cm below the level of the elbow and 5.0 cm to the left of the anterior midline of the right forearm
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This wound pairs with the wound of the medial ventral right forearm described immediately below which is an exit wound. The path of this wound is slightly upward, forward, and leftward.
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#9. There is a gunshot exit wound of the medial ventral right forearm. This wound is located 15.0 cm below the level of the elbow and 5.0 cm to the left of the anterior midline of the right forearm
If someone has their hands up in a "surrender" posture (as in hands over one's head, palms foreward), then if shot from the front, the wound would have been an entrance wound on the ventral forearm and the exit wound on the dorsal. If someone has their hands up in a "surrender" posture and was shot from behind, then the shot would indeed have a dorsal-to-ventral track, but it would be "downward," meaning that the exit wound would have been farther from the elbow, not closer to it. It also would be pretty unlikely to track from right to left on someone's right arm; that would position the trajectory as being both behind and to the right of the of the shootee. So unless Brown kneeled down in the street, with his back to Wilson, and turned at a 45-degree angle to Wilson, and then, AFTER GETTING SHOT IN THE ARM, BREAKING HIS ARM, he stood up and turned to face Wilson, that wound is not explained by a shot from behind.
But, if Brown threw his arm up in a defensive posture, as if to shield himself from shots being fired at him, then the wound is readily explained as having come from the front.
Additiaonlly, there are seven witnesses that all say his arms were up.
Those same people also claimed that he was shot in the back, which is demonstrably untrue. "Eye-witnesses" are notoriously unreliable. This has been demonstrated over and over and over and over again. There's an entire field of legal study dedicated to this very phenomena. They didn't see what happened. They weren't actually witnesses. They were witnesses to rumors, not the actual event. Sorry.
Not going to address the part of defensive wound since you admit it could be. Why the hell was his gun drawn? I will address the fact I have not seen anything that emphatically states Wilson said he drew his own gun. Glad to hear that. Please link that if you have it handy.
I keep giving the same link over and over and over again and yet nobody seems to be willing to actually read it.
I guess it wasn't obvious but I thought it would be. I did not mean Wilson tried to pull Michael Brown's entire body into the SUV through the window. I meant I believe, as witnesses have stated, Wilson grabbed Brown through the window and pulled him in. Pulled his head in. Not all 300 lbs of him
And what possible purpose could that possibly serve? That's just silly. After he pulls Brown's head into the car, then what? He's at a very distinct tactical disadvantage if he does that: he can't open the door, he can't pull Brown in, he can't apprehend Brown in that position without letting him go. What's he supposed to do? Yell at him?
Yeah, that's what I meant. I didn't mean that Wilson was closer to Brown because Wilson ran toward Brown, chased him. Please show me where it says the SUV was 35 feet from the body. Frankly, as far as I have read, Michael Brown's body was 108 feet from the SUV and his show was 20 feet. I find nothing that says his body was only 35 feet. I read that was Wilson
Please, again, show me a link that states Michael Brown's body was only 35 feet from the SUV
That was based upon multiple initial reports:
Brown was shot about 35 feet from the vehicle, the chief said, declining to provide more details. The officer's name has not been released by authorities.
The officer was able to get out of the car and the fatal shooting occurred approximately 35 feet from where the vehicle was parked.
Belmar said one shot was fired by the officers gun inside the car during the struggle, and that the officer then got out of the car and fired multiple times. Brown fell dead in the street. Belmar said the crime scene covered a distance of just 35 feet.
Looking at the video:
I might be convinced that it's more than 35 feet from Wilson's cruiser (on the left) to Brown's body, but I'm not buying anything remotely like 108 feet.
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Official autopsy shows Michael Brown had close-range wound to his hand, marijuana in system [View all]
Tommymac
Oct 2014
OP
Exactly. He was out of range where he could harm the cop, with hands up when executed
peacebird
Oct 2014
#56
So you think Mike Brown just willfully decided to dive head first into the window
KingCharlemagne
Oct 2014
#115
The story you're quoting from immedately above appears to be only 6 hours old, judging from
KingCharlemagne
Oct 2014
#117
Please show where you have anything official that says the gun shoot wound could not have come from
marym625
Oct 2014
#191
So, she pretty much corroborated everything that the Post-Dispatch said she said.
Travelman
Oct 2014
#247
A cop couldnt win a fist fight with a child? Pathetic exscuse. There is no exscuse to shoot an innoc
ncjustice80
Oct 2014
#209
agreed. So what if there are marijuana in his system. It does not mean he was a criminal
samsingh
Oct 2014
#77
not sure what you're asking - my point was that who cares if there was weed in his system
samsingh
Oct 2014
#98
that's a load of crap. even if - and its a big if - i accept your premise - it
samsingh
Oct 2014
#99
given the bullshit racist crap i'm seeing out there i'm not holding my breath but
samsingh
Oct 2014
#109
it sounds like you'd rather believe a coward police officer who had to shoot 6 to 10 times
samsingh
Oct 2014
#125
What other felonies? you mean the ones falsely attributed to him by right-wing websites?
kwassa
Oct 2014
#245
No, I mean the ones that the court and his attorney have tacitly admitted to
Travelman
Oct 2014
#246
Women I know, also a female, aren't non-progressive, hate-filled racists. n/t
Judi Lynn
Oct 2014
#219
That smug SOB McCulloch thinking he can game the system (by making it sound as though
KingCharlemagne
Oct 2014
#10
Happened during the 60s or early 70s, IIRC. Angela Davis was charged and tried (and acquitted)
KingCharlemagne
Oct 2014
#20
Yes. I mean Wilson was the attacker. I can see that I was not very clear there.
bravenak
Oct 2014
#113
Well, geez, what would you have them do? Wait to be gunned down by your
KingCharlemagne
Oct 2014
#83
I believe in peaceful demonstration, not violent riots that harm people and local business.
Red State Rebel
Oct 2014
#124
I believe in not letting young blacks be gunned down for nothing more than walking
KingCharlemagne
Oct 2014
#129
What possible bearing does it have on the matters at hand, other than to play into and further
KingCharlemagne
Oct 2014
#126
Why, just recently, the Chicago PD officer Jon Burge was released from prison to a halfway
KingCharlemagne
Oct 2014
#22
My wife studies domestic violence in far more detail than I. She tells me that 40% of
KingCharlemagne
Oct 2014
#30
All we have is Wilson's word that there was a 'struggle for the gun'. It could just
KingCharlemagne
Oct 2014
#3
Here's what a former federal prosecutor has to say about St. Louis County DA McCulloch's
KingCharlemagne
Oct 2014
#6
Oh, but see, DA McCulloch is such a grand fellow, so interested in 'fairness,' that he's
KingCharlemagne
Oct 2014
#69
As V. I. Lenin famously asked in 1903, "What is to be done?" Totally agree with
KingCharlemagne
Oct 2014
#12
Vlad Lenin was a muderous thug. That is hardly an appropriate historical figure to reference.
3rdwaydem
Oct 2014
#78
This is the only part I actually believe happened , that Michael Brown might
scarystuffyo
Oct 2014
#15
Is the cop a righty or lefty? Reaching in and all that... Not that it matters, its all BS anyway...
winstars
Oct 2014
#42
When someone points a gun at you it's instict to try to block the shot with your hand....
Spitfire of ATJ
Oct 2014
#34
Wilson's claim is that he told them to get out of the street, heard the robbery report
Recursion
Oct 2014
#162
Because Wilson has never claimed that he came back because he heard a robbery report.
bravenak
Oct 2014
#174
I share your deep misgivings abut McCulloch's bona fides here. But in his defense, McCulloch
KingCharlemagne
Oct 2014
#65
McCulloch has left only the legitimacy his bayonets and white dragoons can provide. What
KingCharlemagne
Oct 2014
#70
They bring new meaning to the phrase "Mayberry Machiavellis". It's really
KingCharlemagne
Oct 2014
#72
Or had just snorted a line of meth, coke or speed (or both). No tox screen
KingCharlemagne
Oct 2014
#66
The outrage will not be cushioned The authorities are naive if they think that at this point.
Tommymac
Oct 2014
#86
...and we all know pot causes "reefer madness," which is worse than PCP and bath salts put together.
yurbud
Oct 2014
#230
Forensic pathologists can usually ascertain if an injury is pre or postmortem. nt
branford
Oct 2014
#241