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In reply to the discussion: Internet chiefs told to curb Islamists online [View all]The Stranger
(11,297 posts)26. Actually, Israel and the U.S. have always subverted the secularists -- including the Ba'athists --
who tried to nationalize their oil and protect their natural resources, so that the only means by which the indigenous peoples could organize was through Islam.
And that worked out well, too. Once they were "terrorists," you could continue to rally popular support against them.
http://online.wsj.com/articles/SB123275572295011847
How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas
The Palestinian cause was for decades led by the PLO, which Israel regarded as a terrorist outfit and sought to crush until the 1990s, when the PLO dropped its vow to destroy the Jewish state. The PLO's Palestinian rival, Hamas, led by Islamist militants, refused to recognize Israel and vowed to continue "resistance." Hamas now controls Gaza, a crowded, impoverished sliver of land on the Mediterranean from which Israel pulled out troops and settlers in 2005.
When Israel first encountered Islamists in Gaza in the 1970s and '80s, they seemed focused on studying the Quran, not on confrontation with Israel. The Israeli government officially recognized a precursor to Hamas called Mujama Al-Islamiya, registering the group as a charity. It allowed Mujama members to set up an Islamic university and build mosques, clubs and schools. Crucially, Israel often stood aside when the Islamists and their secular left-wing Palestinian rivals battled, sometimes violently, for influence in both Gaza and the West Bank.
"When I look back at the chain of events I think we made a mistake," says David Hacham, who worked in Gaza in the late 1980s and early '90s as an Arab-affairs expert in the Israeli military. "But at the time nobody thought about the possible results."
Israeli officials who served in Gaza disagree on how much their own actions may have contributed to the rise of Hamas. They blame the group's recent ascent on outsiders, primarily Iran. This view is shared by the Israeli government. "Hamas in Gaza was built by Iran as a foundation for power, and is backed through funding, through training and through the provision of advanced weapons," Mr. Olmert said last Saturday. Hamas has denied receiving military assistance from Iran.
The Palestinian cause was for decades led by the PLO, which Israel regarded as a terrorist outfit and sought to crush until the 1990s, when the PLO dropped its vow to destroy the Jewish state. The PLO's Palestinian rival, Hamas, led by Islamist militants, refused to recognize Israel and vowed to continue "resistance." Hamas now controls Gaza, a crowded, impoverished sliver of land on the Mediterranean from which Israel pulled out troops and settlers in 2005.
When Israel first encountered Islamists in Gaza in the 1970s and '80s, they seemed focused on studying the Quran, not on confrontation with Israel. The Israeli government officially recognized a precursor to Hamas called Mujama Al-Islamiya, registering the group as a charity. It allowed Mujama members to set up an Islamic university and build mosques, clubs and schools. Crucially, Israel often stood aside when the Islamists and their secular left-wing Palestinian rivals battled, sometimes violently, for influence in both Gaza and the West Bank.
"When I look back at the chain of events I think we made a mistake," says David Hacham, who worked in Gaza in the late 1980s and early '90s as an Arab-affairs expert in the Israeli military. "But at the time nobody thought about the possible results."
Israeli officials who served in Gaza disagree on how much their own actions may have contributed to the rise of Hamas. They blame the group's recent ascent on outsiders, primarily Iran. This view is shared by the Israeli government. "Hamas in Gaza was built by Iran as a foundation for power, and is backed through funding, through training and through the provision of advanced weapons," Mr. Olmert said last Saturday. Hamas has denied receiving military assistance from Iran.
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I just wanted to poke in here to remind you that you don't know what your are talking about.
Ash_F
Oct 2014
#43
Saddam was a doomed man in 2003. The Radical Islamists would have taken over by 2009
FrodosPet
Oct 2014
#48
You realize that this "choice" is no accident -- in fact, it is by design.
The Stranger
Oct 2014
#27
Actually, Israel and the U.S. have always subverted the secularists -- including the Ba'athists --
The Stranger
Oct 2014
#26
But here in the US religous extremists are having more and more influence
whereisjustice
Oct 2014
#10
I don't see much difference. Many GOP/Tea Partiers openly talk about implementing Biblical Law
CJCRANE
Oct 2014
#49
No. Freedom of speech in the marketplace of ideas, remember. One would need hate speech laws.
Fred Sanders
Oct 2014
#5
Restricting propaganda from one terrorist source makes the country just like NK..all righty then.
Fred Sanders
Oct 2014
#18
Like the teabaggers, some folks think private companies not wanting to broadcast hate and
Fred Sanders
Oct 2014
#32
This is a really bad idea, Governments banning together to block speech they do not like
Youdontwantthetruth
Oct 2014
#6
Private media companies and private cable news also do not need to provide a big platform.
Fred Sanders
Oct 2014
#19
Private cable/sat/internet companies can pick and choose what they do and do not broadcast
Youdontwantthetruth
Oct 2014
#23
Government policies that promote disparity while eliminating accountablity
whereisjustice
Oct 2014
#9