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199. Getting a court order from a judge

Wed Oct 29, 2014, 12:04 PM

Oct 2014

IS due process.

Without the judge it is NOT due process.

Now do you understand the comment?

As I said, we were very upset when Bush ordered the renditioning of US citizens without the issuance of a warrant. What is different in this case?

Christie took a citizen on US soil and incarcerated her against her will even tho she was asymptomatic. He did this by executive order. There was no judge, no hearing. He dropped that crazy idea as soon as an attorney showed up. Having the ACLU watching closely didn't help his position much.

If there is an "overriding state interest" it shouldn't be too hard to get a court order, would it? But the fact that she has not tested positive for the virus sure leaves a lot of the overriding out of it, doesn't it?

Maybe this might be a good spot for this:

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects,[a] against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

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Kaci Hickox Won't Follow Maine Ebola Quarantine Rule, Lawyer Says [View all] coyote Oct 2014 OP

Arrest her and put her in isolation. cosmicone Oct 2014 #1

she is a ficken doctor dembotoz Oct 2014 #3

No - she's not a doctor leftynyc Oct 2014 #6

She is a certified epidemiologist, why do you folks hate educated folks? Christie is a blowhard. Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #8

Is she a fucking doctor leftynyc Oct 2014 #16

Results of Jury service Travis_0004 Oct 2014 #58

Thanks for posting the results (n/t) leftynyc Oct 2014 #79

You are operating on little information and lots of assumptions Elmer S. E. Dump Oct 2014 #123

Sigh leftynyc Oct 2014 #144

I must ask Scairp Oct 2014 #155

And another sigh leftynyc Oct 2014 #159

The rules aren't fact-base Scairp Oct 2014 #163

I'll try and be more careful leftynyc Oct 2014 #174

What part of CDC protocols (#63 - a reply to you) are you claiming she won't follow? muriel_volestrangler Oct 2014 #165

The governor of Maine leftynyc Oct 2014 #178

Then you should stop invoking the CDC as if they support your viewpoint muriel_volestrangler Oct 2014 #188

Maybe this will help clear up some confusion. Quackers Oct 2014 #235

And those who should know azureblue Oct 2014 #197

Not only that, but Ebola is not as deadly as it seems Elmer S. E. Dump Oct 2014 #242

You hate educated people in general and medical folks in particular....now we all understand. Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #160

Careful, cupcake leftynyc Oct 2014 #173

The vast majority are telling you are the cupcake, crumbling with fear, now you react with Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #206

LOL leftynyc Oct 2014 #209

agree CullenBohannon Oct 2014 #169

Well said Elmer. nt Sienna86 Oct 2014 #147

Thanks. Sienna! Elmer S. E. Dump Oct 2014 #248

She is refusing the CDC guidelines. former9thward Oct 2014 #107

You are as wrong as can be. From the post, you did read it I hope: Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #116

Well, the CDC does have its problems liberalhistorian Oct 2014 #117

I think a nurse who has just been dealing with ebola FIRSTHAND knows what it can do. Demit Oct 2014 #138

Well, apparently the doctor liberalhistorian Oct 2014 #145

Ignorance Scairp Oct 2014 #156

What symptoms were those? Demit Oct 2014 #166

He wasn't showing symptoms until last Thursday morning muriel_volestrangler Oct 2014 #167

oohhhh heaven05 Oct 2014 #48

The CDC does NOT recommend quarantine if no symptoms. askeptic Oct 2014 #54

just wondering DustyJoe Oct 2014 #101

Because the ARMY can. Hissyspit Oct 2014 #105

I have a cousin who joined the Army liberalhistorian Oct 2014 #120

Obama is the CIC of the Army. former9thward Oct 2014 #162

why would he do that in this case? fishwax Oct 2014 #181

People (on this thread) claim it is not necessary. former9thward Oct 2014 #191

lol -- the criticism of Obama doesn't make any sense fishwax Oct 2014 #194

Top commanders in the military are now Ebola experts? former9thward Oct 2014 #211

no, but they are experts on the military fishwax Oct 2014 #215

And the governors are experts on their state. So what? former9thward Oct 2014 #216

i never said governors bad military good fishwax Oct 2014 #218

You know full well if he did half the country (and some on DU) Elmer S. E. Dump Oct 2014 #250

Just to clarify, The Joint Chief's Chairman, Vice Chairman & Service Chiefs are not Top Commanders. 24601 Oct 2014 #261

Just wondering... Scairp Oct 2014 #139

why would one expect the protocol for a military unit to be the same as for civilians? fishwax Oct 2014 #177

um per the article she IS FOLLOWING CDC PROTOCOLS magical thyme Oct 2014 #62

A quarantine must be marions ghost Oct 2014 #87

Well, I'm not a scientist..... SCVDem Oct 2014 #118

She is not in the high risk category, so I don't think the CDC "stay away from public areas" applies muriel_volestrangler Oct 2014 #63

Wasn't Dr. Spencer also in the Some Risk category? PADemD Oct 2014 #98

Spencer HAS Ebola, try to keep up. Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #121

That's what I tried to bring up upthread liberalhistorian Oct 2014 #122

I expect so; 'some risk' is not 'no risk'; there is no sign anyone has been infected by him muriel_volestrangler Oct 2014 #136

there is no sign anyone has been infected by him PADemD Oct 2014 #146

did you read the article? blackcrowflies Oct 2014 #97

Probably the same type of entitled liberalhistorian Oct 2014 #113

If your nurse friend would be the first to care for an ebola patient without hesitation, Demit Oct 2014 #142

What you said n/t Scairp Oct 2014 #196

I don't hold much leftynyc Oct 2014 #148

"entitled" marions ghost Oct 2014 #164

Spare me the hysteria leftynyc Oct 2014 #203

Well, she obviously understands the situation better than you do. Elmer S. E. Dump Oct 2014 #251

Because she's a nurse? leftynyc Oct 2014 #266

That's pretty silly Elmer S. E. Dump Oct 2014 #270

WFT? Scairp Oct 2014 #200

More hyperbolic nonsense leftynyc Oct 2014 #204

Three WHOLE blocks? Scairp Oct 2014 #236

Yawn leftynyc Oct 2014 #265

But are you hiding in the closet? Don't forget the DHS duct tape! Elmer S. E. Dump Oct 2014 #252

She's not a doctor; she's a nurse. PADemD Oct 2014 #7

Wow. And Christie is what, the delicate flower...some folks do not like strong women. Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #10

Kaci Hickox is now fighting Maine's quarantine order. PADemD Oct 2014 #18

So now you support anti science Christie AND insane Lepage? Has fear SO blinded you? Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #22

I support quarantine orders, no matter who signs them. PADemD Oct 2014 #35

89-90 % of the public blackcrowflies Oct 2014 #100

What a joke Elmer S. E. Dump Oct 2014 #129

I haven't opened your links...yet but this is my thinking. UNTIL snappyturtle Oct 2014 #161

they'll never get your point heaven05 Oct 2014 #49

They can have their fear, they can swim in an ocean of it for all I care, just stop spreading the virus. Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #72

Sometimes this place seems closer to "The Outer Limits" !! Elmer S. E. Dump Oct 2014 #130

LePage Scairp Oct 2014 #237

this has nothing to do with Christie. The issue is the safety of the public, at large. DeadEyeDyck Oct 2014 #43

ooohhhh!!!!! heaven05 Oct 2014 #51

And that little bit of knowledge should have included what the CDC recommends jeff47 Oct 2014 #154

It's not a matter of whether a politician is dumb. It's about compliance with regs and law. HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #14

Christie clearly abused the law and you support him because......you is scared? Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #17

No, I'm not. and shaming name calling you engage in is rhetorical fallacy HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #25

Dissent against abuse of political authority was the foundation of America, there is that. Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #27

Not comparable. And that's a diversion from the issue HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #39

...^ that 840high Oct 2014 #115

You can not reason with fear and paranoia, they cling to it like Saran Wrap on an sandwich. Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #23

First of all, she's a nurse, not a doctor. liberalhistorian Oct 2014 #111

She is a nurse with specialized Master's degree's.....In Public Health and Tropical Nursing... riversedge Oct 2014 #233

Agree PADemD Oct 2014 #20

Because...? Hissyspit Oct 2014 #106

She is not infected, and there is no LAW. Your fear is overwhelming your thinking. askeptic Oct 2014 #34

Fighting the fear....thank you, sir, lot of folks want to be fearful, it is the true virus. Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #44

Polarity has indeed been reversed. I find myself agreeing with your posts these days. HERVEPA Oct 2014 #52

good one heaven05 Oct 2014 #59

Totally agree marions ghost Oct 2014 #71

Just re-read the Constitution, especially the Ebola Amendment. Oops, the Constitution is silent on 24601 Oct 2014 #262

There are laws that allow for the government to quarantine citizens to prevent the spread Calista241 Oct 2014 #264

??? heaven05 Oct 2014 #42

WHy stop there? She's a witch~! Kill her!11!!1 PSPS Oct 2014 #60

Look ... if she floats, then clearly she's made of wood ... JoePhilly Oct 2014 #68

Or she could be a duck. Kber Oct 2014 #131

Burn this no nothing heretic "medic" at the stake, Lepage must now be the fucking hero to these fear Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #76

She turned me into Newt Gingrich! yellowcanine Oct 2014 #214

When exactly did she become a "patient"? JoePhilly Oct 2014 #65

Did I miss something? Was she diagnosed? Cal Carpenter Oct 2014 #75

she is not a patient. barbtries Oct 2014 #96

Already knowing this makes this thread far more baffling JonLP24 Oct 2014 #238

yeah, i feel a whiff of hysteria. barbtries Oct 2014 #239

She's not a patient. Demit Oct 2014 #112

What the hell for? Scairp Oct 2014 #135

Last I checked, you have to break the law to be arrested. Dr Hobbitstein Oct 2014 #224

Has she TSTED positive? No. But I'm not surprised... Adrahil Oct 2014 #225

She is not contagious Warpy Oct 2014 #277

I'm sure she is correct about the fact that she is asymptomatic and not a risk to others. enough Oct 2014 #2

This Lady RobinA Oct 2014 #5

Illusion versus reality, you prefer your illusions...go for it. Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #12

Are your constitutional rights... catnhatnh Oct 2014 #69

They have been in the past, technically speaking. Heywood J Oct 2014 #268

Yep... catnhatnh Oct 2014 #269

Fuck LePage PeoViejo Oct 2014 #4

You cannot pick and choose what laws to follow, you fight for change within the system. Dustlawyer Oct 2014 #9

What size of harm? She is perfectly healthy. The "what ifs" are the basis of your fear. I accept Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #13

What should she do if she is out in public and comes down with a fever? Answer that one! Dustlawyer Oct 2014 #30

The old "what ifs"....what if's are endless, the endless well of possibilities to drive fear forever Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #41

Didn't answer the question. I guess it has to happen first in your book before you deal with it. Dustlawyer Oct 2014 #45

She should go to the doctor and not exchange bodily fluids with anyone. Gore1FL Oct 2014 #53

her hypothetical fever does not constitute a risk barbtries Oct 2014 #94

She should wrap herself in plastic sheeting and duct tape and run msanthrope Oct 2014 #109

The answer to your questions: Marrah_G Oct 2014 #182

Ah, yes. 9/11 all over again. Daemonaquila Oct 2014 #92

Like hearing the word "polio" before there was a vaccine. PADemD Oct 2014 #110

And just in time for Halloween El Shaman Oct 2014 #133

Thanks to Teabaggers like Christie and Lepage, since that group led the way to budget cuts Tommymac Oct 2014 #137

Yep. MDs and nurses aren't above the law. HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #15

tell that to......... heaven05 Oct 2014 #46

See Post #19 n/t PeoViejo Oct 2014 #50

Rosa Parks would disagree with you. nt Sienna86 Oct 2014 #153

of course you can fishwax Oct 2014 #186

What "laws" are you referring to? truebluegreen Oct 2014 #257

I cannot help but think this was planned. coyote Oct 2014 #11

I's not a Law PeoViejo Oct 2014 #19

Love how folks do not see the pandering and abuse of an average citizens liberty. Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #24

Some folks, even on science loving DU want this perfectly healthy person back inside the plastic tent Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #21

I agree with you 100% coyote Oct 2014 #31

quit spreading falsehoods please Duckhunter935 Oct 2014 #32

she has been proven heaven05 Oct 2014 #57

No. She has NOT been proven to be disease free. That is why the 21 days quarantine adigal Oct 2014 #74

You have no appreciation for the science, it is your right and privilege. Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #86

I saw you refuse to answer a question posed to you about what happens if she is out and about and adigal Oct 2014 #90

ummm she is going to be fine one minute and projectile vomiting the next Marrah_G Oct 2014 #172

People freaking adore those that share their freakout, herd mentality. They side with Cruz and Palin Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #226

The Director of the Maine CDC disagrees with you - may have been too early to test adigal Oct 2014 #208

ohhhh!!!!! heaven05 Oct 2014 #221

If you are going to jump on the enlightenment Oct 2014 #88

Yes, she was tested. charliea Oct 2014 #103

Thank you for the additional information enlightenment Oct 2014 #141

her right heaven05 Oct 2014 #222

Science loving DU? With all the woo I see on this site. Hardly. HERVEPA Oct 2014 #56

She is probably right. She is probably not infected. But if she is wrong she will probably kill CBGLuthier Oct 2014 #26

right heaven05 Oct 2014 #47

We've had exposed people flying on airplanes, truebluegreen Oct 2014 #259

88 gun deaths per day in the U.S. Submariner Oct 2014 #28

^^^THIS^^^ That Flying Metal Cylinder Disease is more likely to kill you valerief Oct 2014 #189

from a twitter: azureblue Oct 2014 #219

She has two degrees in epidemiology. That is the study of contageous disease. Hoppy Oct 2014 #29

No. She is just a "medic", what does she know, some folks say...the ignorance and demonization is Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #36

I think she's right but breaking the law's a bad idea AndreaCG Oct 2014 #33

Holy shit, Batman, ya think LePage may be doing a political ploy? Never! Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #37

Man are you unnecessarily rude!!!! AndreaCG Oct 2014 #78

Then you would know the difference between a law and a fly by your pants regulation? Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #80

So are you saying the executive orders Obama makes AndreaCG Oct 2014 #99

LOL. Presidential EO's versus teabagger pandering, not even a good try at deflection. Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #119

umm, this is why she has vowed to challenge its legality. It's not Constitutional and they know it askeptic Oct 2014 #185

Well it will be up to the courts then AndreaCG Oct 2014 #205

The 15 minute interlude must be coming up seveneyes Oct 2014 #38

I don't blame her heaven05 Oct 2014 #40

I don't either. jen63 Oct 2014 #67

Seems to be clear from day 1 that 'setting a precedent' was her new mission... JimDandy Oct 2014 #140

She doesn't have ebola! jen63 Oct 2014 #241

How do you know? candelista Oct 2014 #247

They may as well be the same, jen63 Oct 2014 #249

But you can BECOME symptomatic. candelista Oct 2014 #253

No need for quarantine jen63 Oct 2014 #254

If Obama changes his mind on this issue, will you? candelista Oct 2014 #255

Nope. jen63 Oct 2014 #258

No one said she has Ebola! But you knew that. JimDandy Oct 2014 #263

Good for her. alarimer Oct 2014 #55

Breaking the law? seabeckind Oct 2014 #61

I am surprised, appalled and fucking angry. Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #81

Not surprised at all now Fumesucker Oct 2014 #210

She was quarantined in a NJ hospital HockeyMom Oct 2014 #64

Looked more like a tent to me. seabeckind Oct 2014 #70

Very true HockeyMom Oct 2014 #73

So, all you people claiming doctors and nurses are smart enough to self-isolate - WRONG!!!! adigal Oct 2014 #66

She IS abiding by the CDC protocols, it says so right in the article, she refuses the "make up a Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #82

"self-monitor" "self-isolate" These terms are not synonyms. truebluegreen Oct 2014 #260

We better stop her from spreading ebola even if she doesn't have it!!!11 Cobalt Violet Oct 2014 #77

That is what the anti-science folk feel but are too embarrassed to say. thank you. Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #83

We have a dangerous contagious disease spreading through the Democratic Party whereisjustice Oct 2014 #84

"Deliver us from evil". When the folks demand it the politicians will pander to it. Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #89

it's no use, fred. it's like i always say: some people love having their fears fed. critical locdlib Oct 2014 #124

I am not trying to reason with fear, it is useless as you say, shaming is the only way. Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #127

threat level orange! Or is it peach? panic! nt geek tragedy Oct 2014 #85

I'd call it Threat Level Brown The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2014 #102

Good for her. Daemonaquila Oct 2014 #91

Can she please take her stand alone, in her own home? PADemD Oct 2014 #128

I thought she was from Illinois Travelman Oct 2014 #93

Why should she have to follow your fear? jeff47 Oct 2014 #149

i'm on her side. barbtries Oct 2014 #95

Ebola Quarantine Showdown: Nurse Kaci Hickox Threatened With Arrest IDemo Oct 2014 #104

Insane pandering to a hysterical public. Marrah_G Oct 2014 #184

She may not have much of a legal leg to stand on. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #108

Nancy Snyderman had less contact with ebola than Hickox, and yet everyone TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #114

You find it "strange" because you do not believe in the science, I get it. Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #126

I think some of the opposition to quarantine on this site has to do with AIDS. candelista Oct 2014 #132

I agree with that--certainly a big part of it. TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #134

Ive read she works for the CDC Travis_0004 Oct 2014 #125

She should be fired for doing what the CDC says she should do. jeff47 Oct 2014 #152

No, you s/b put on Ignore. Favorite=Gun Control and RKBA. valerief Oct 2014 #192

Good for her. Love it. Sienna86 Oct 2014 #143

She was imprisoned in NJ and now Maine wants to do the same?!?! d_legendary1 Oct 2014 #150

This looks like a pretty good place for a quarantine. candelista Oct 2014 #151

Science should control here Gothmog Oct 2014 #157

Does the government have the right to quarantine people? Calista241 Oct 2014 #158

Ask the question the correct way. seabeckind Oct 2014 #168

A judge would cite an "overriding state interest." candelista Oct 2014 #175

So where is this judge? seabeckind Oct 2014 #176

Where? candelista Oct 2014 #180

Ahh, the one who never issued the order. seabeckind Oct 2014 #187

Let's do the other part of your hypothesis. seabeckind Oct 2014 #183

I don't understand your comments. candelista Oct 2014 #190

Getting a court order from a judge seabeckind Oct 2014 #199

Quarantines are allowed under the Public Health and Welfare Act. Calista241 Oct 2014 #193

yes, but it's a state power TorchTheWitch Oct 2014 #285

BS CullenBohannon Oct 2014 #170

I agree. n/t SpankMe Oct 2014 #179

Stubborn and selfish? No, just challenging illegal arrest askeptic Oct 2014 #195

she hasn't been arrested TorchTheWitch Oct 2014 #286

Sheesh all this arguing is senseless people. If the CDC thought she should be held cstanleytech Oct 2014 #171

I'm on her side. tammywammy Oct 2014 #198

Smart people are Scairp Oct 2014 #256

This message was self-deleted by its author rocktivity Oct 2014 #201

If the problem -- the fear -- is that she could go symptomatic at any second rocktivity Oct 2014 #202

The first symptom is always, always, an elevated temperture, the medical folks can figure that out, Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #207

The only thing I "fear" is Ebola being "exported" to other countries rocktivity Oct 2014 #212

Good idea. candelista Oct 2014 #244

The actual CDC Ebola Guidelines (PDF) rocktivity Oct 2014 #213

Quarantining perfectly healthy people is asinine. PDJane Oct 2014 #217

You are assuming the point at issue. candelista Oct 2014 #246

If she is asymptomatic, she doesn't need to be quarantined. PDJane Oct 2014 #271

:) candelista Oct 2014 #274

You mean, like the doctor who turned himself in and was quarantined then? PDJane Oct 2014 #275

Trust "medical professionals"? Like Dr. Spencer? candelista Oct 2014 #276

One more time. Slowly, carefully, and with feeling. He was asymptomatic. PDJane Oct 2014 #278

I don't see why you don't get it. candelista Oct 2014 #279

medical personnel know when they are contagious. PDJane Oct 2014 #280

Burn her! wheniwasincongress Oct 2014 #220

DUzy!!! rocktivity Oct 2014 #229

I made it! wheniwasincongress Oct 2014 #267

Picasa? Thanks, but I've already had lunch. rocktivity Oct 2014 #282

Good for her! Dr Hobbitstein Oct 2014 #223

If this logic is acceptable to the Sovereign Citizen crowd, it must be applicable to her as well bluestateguy Oct 2014 #227

Sitting in the segregated Southern Lunch counters was breaking the law too. NutmegYankee Oct 2014 #231

It's amazing seeing all this mob hysteria in DU blackcrowflies Oct 2014 #228

I don't find it all that amazing. Hissyspit Oct 2014 #240

Sometimes civil disobedience is needed--This is one of those times.. riversedge Oct 2014 #230

Amen to that! NutmegYankee Oct 2014 #232

She is an intelligent nurse with lots of courage....She really riversedge Oct 2014 #234

It will be interesting to see what the courts say about this - if it gets that far. Chemisse Oct 2014 #243

A reminder to those who want to arrest her, she passed a blood test and has zero symptoms. whereisjustice Oct 2014 #245

Personally... Sparhawk60 Oct 2014 #272

Her family isn't at risk. PDJane Oct 2014 #281

A Question of Priorities Sparhawk60 Oct 2014 #283

That is a totally unscientific and completely stupid way of looking at a very intrusive policy. PDJane Oct 2014 #284

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