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23. A high threshold....

Reply to philosslayer (Original post)

Fri Oct 31, 2014, 08:12 PM

Oct 2014

Does the evidence have to be higher than Everest?

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Federal civil rights charges unlikely against police officer in Ferguson shooting [View all] philosslayer Oct 2014 OP

Yeah, no evidence Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #1

The problem with Federal Civil Rights Charges is ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #15

Yes alot of witnesses that the officer shot the kid but that doesnt mean that the cstanleytech Oct 2014 #17

Because murder is not a Federal crime Recursion Nov 2014 #236

I think it would help calm things if Holder came out and said the same quote... Oktober Oct 2014 #2

Um, this one won't be going 'quietly away.' - nt KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #11

agreed nt BootinUp Oct 2014 #12

True ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #16

As usual, your rush to take offense... Oktober Nov 2014 #36

Actually, your repeated use of pronouns with unclear antecedents KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #59

excellent heaven05 Nov 2014 #63

Rush rush rush... Oktober Nov 2014 #65

You would have a point... Oktober Nov 2014 #85

I don't think he could do that legally Travelman Nov 2014 #81

Good point... Oktober Nov 2014 #83

No surprise. It's a hard rap to make stick. malthaussen Oct 2014 #3

You will be lucky if you get a manslaughter conviction I suspect. nt cstanleytech Oct 2014 #18

How do you figure it's 1st? You think Wilson planned this out beforehand? (nt) Recursion Nov 2014 #237

Of course not.."These aren't the days of Civil Liberty you are looking for Move along, move along" diabeticman Oct 2014 #4

and they won't let this be announced until after the election....that was the point in the delay! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #5

What could the authorities possibly know that we don't seveneyes Oct 2014 #6

those dont matter Agalbraith Oct 2014 #19

Too much sugar tonight... MrMickeysMom Oct 2014 #21

Have you read some of the responses on this thread? AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #120

Should the responses on this thread be unexpected after what has been reported? MrMickeysMom Nov 2014 #146

So.....yeah AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #148

So, yeah� I don't agree with that statement at all... MrMickeysMom Nov 2014 #149

White guilt? blackspade Oct 2014 #24

If the evidence doesn't support it... Oktober Nov 2014 #38

Now you are being disingenuous. blackspade Nov 2014 #40

Lots of people, civilian and LE, have been in a situation where they killed someone with a firearm.. Oktober Nov 2014 #43

Sigh. blackspade Nov 2014 #52

thank you heaven05 Nov 2014 #61

Your welcome! blackspade Nov 2014 #154

Some people are blind to that fact. Gemini Cat Nov 2014 #66

Indeed. blackspade Nov 2014 #155

What "facts" heaven05 Nov 2014 #49

the facts that the grand jury has Agalbraith Nov 2014 #72

Civil rights charges are NOT heaven05 Nov 2014 #73

I know civil are not murder charges Agalbraith Nov 2014 #75

thanks heaven05 Nov 2014 #95

Virtually no one has found Wilson "not guilty." branford Nov 2014 #106

some people heaven05 Nov 2014 #109

You're certainly entitled to believe Wilson is a murderer, branford Nov 2014 #113

I know I'm heaven05 Nov 2014 #115

WOW AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #119

I would apply the heaven05 Nov 2014 #123

No I have not found him not guilty. Agalbraith Nov 2014 #118

You're right, civil rights charges are not murder charges. branford Nov 2014 #82

"general claims heaven05 Nov 2014 #91

Copy and paste is a mother sometimes. Agalbraith Nov 2014 #96

I stand by that heaven05 Nov 2014 #98

The area is racist, Ferguson is racist, the police are racist, therefore, the grand jury is racist. Agalbraith Nov 2014 #99

I stand by what I said heaven05 Nov 2014 #100

Answer the question Agalbraith Nov 2014 #101

black people can't be racist heaven05 Nov 2014 #112

black people can't be racist -- amazing. Agalbraith Nov 2014 #117

relegate where ever you please heaven05 Nov 2014 #121

This is like watching a prize fighter AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #122

hopefully he's nothing but a troll Agalbraith Nov 2014 #126

been here much longer than you heaven05 Nov 2014 #130

I dont care how long you've been anywhere Agalbraith Nov 2014 #134

extremely frustrated and maturity is lacking heaven05 Nov 2014 #136

Black people CANNOT be racist Agalbraith Nov 2014 #140

you're flirting heaven05 Nov 2014 #141

thank you heaven05 Nov 2014 #131

you have it backwards Agalbraith Nov 2014 #135

right heaven05 Nov 2014 #137

ask him. He'll tell you as much Agalbraith Nov 2014 #138

you are insufficiently heaven05 Nov 2014 #139

Black people CANNOT be racist Agalbraith Nov 2014 #142

Seriously? You actually believe that? NaturalHigh Nov 2014 #180

In experiencing certain realities of this culture heaven05 Nov 2014 #182

It's not a comparison of numbers to see who has the most racists per capita... Oktober Nov 2014 #191

There are no heaven05 Nov 2014 #193

Anything to rationalize right? Oktober Nov 2014 #194

Not when heaven05 Nov 2014 #195

So it's not just people of the appropriate skin pigmentation.. Oktober Nov 2014 #202

I'm not trying to bait you at all... NaturalHigh Nov 2014 #196

see response #195 heaven05 Nov 2014 #197

I read it. NaturalHigh Nov 2014 #198

well...... heaven05 Nov 2014 #199

Fair enough. We're obviously not going to agree on the matter. NaturalHigh Nov 2014 #200

From a popular definition of racism Recursion Nov 2014 #238

bingo...another truth people like to ignore and pretend the system works noiretextatique Nov 2014 #203

Bravo... Oktober Nov 2014 #108

The decision to file civil rights charges will ultimately be made by AG Holder, branford Nov 2014 #102

Yes heaven05 Nov 2014 #105

I have not formed an opinion as to Wilson's guilt or innocence. branford Nov 2014 #110

I object heaven05 Nov 2014 #114

that's not true and you know it AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #125

??? heaven05 Nov 2014 #127

Can you please point me to the codified AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #129

One standard heaven05 Nov 2014 #132

this fact has been studied endlessly noiretextatique Nov 2014 #205

it is not codified in law, but in practice noiretextatique Nov 2014 #204

+ 1000 heaven05 Nov 2014 #210

So just your opinion AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #221

yeah...my opinion and a few centuries of legal research noiretextatique Nov 2014 #222

Do you read what you write ? Oktober Nov 2014 #111

legal standard?! noiretextatique Nov 2014 #224

Standing ovation AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #124

here's a fact: when are police ever indicted, let alone convicted? noiretextatique Nov 2014 #201

All the time. Simply Google "police officer guilty," branford Nov 2014 #206

I did heaven05 Nov 2014 #212

Try performing you search under Google News, and advance a few pages or narrow your search. branford Nov 2014 #214

oh please heaven05 Nov 2014 #216

A black commits a violent crime against a white because of the color of their skin, branford Nov 2014 #223

with the access heaven05 Nov 2014 #225

By many definitions that's not "racist" per se, no Recursion Nov 2014 #239

How about we use the Merriam-Webster Dictionary definition of racism branford Nov 2014 #240

My definition is from Cazenave, and is very widely understood in political and sociological contexts Recursion Nov 2014 #241

more often then you would think Agalbraith Nov 2014 #207

there have been several beatings and murders of BLACK people noiretextatique Nov 2014 #208

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2014 #209

they goad and bait heaven05 Nov 2014 #211

they are advocates....i see them for who they are noiretextatique Nov 2014 #218

You posed a question, but do not like the answer. branford Nov 2014 #213

I just realized this BS you write heaven05 Nov 2014 #215

Huh? Hiding behind the law? branford Nov 2014 #217

it means: white people have hid behind the law for centuries noiretextatique Nov 2014 #219

Are President Obama and AG Holder also "hiding behind the law" if they don't file branford Nov 2014 #220

oh boy! heaven05 Nov 2014 #227

+1000 heaven05 Nov 2014 #226

Great post. NaturalHigh Nov 2014 #228

the 'mob' heaven05 Nov 2014 #230

I have sycophants? NaturalHigh Nov 2014 #235

what, to you heaven05 Nov 2014 #55

Based on the evidence released, I would have to agree with them. FLPanhandle Oct 2014 #7

That was the problem with the original Rodney King verdict too. 7962 Oct 2014 #13

Unacceptable� There is no justice here MrMickeysMom Oct 2014 #8

"Justice" is not defined as an end result of which you approve. branford Oct 2014 #10

You mean to say... MrMickeysMom Oct 2014 #20

For a state prosecution, the focus is probably on the forensic evidence. branford Oct 2014 #26

Well said, I just wish more here would read your posts rather than automatically judge the officer cstanleytech Oct 2014 #29

"A civil rights prosecution requires that the government not only essentially prove amandabeech Oct 2014 #32

I'm not a legal expert, but I don't interpret what's been already judged here as "unreliable"... MrMickeysMom Oct 2014 #33

You need only Google eyewitness testimony for ample articles on its unreliability. branford Nov 2014 #35

what about heaven05 Nov 2014 #53

You clearly only skimmed my post and may quite a few assumptions yourself. branford Nov 2014 #76

yeah, yeah, yeah heaven05 Nov 2014 #46

Good lord AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #77

it figures heaven05 Nov 2014 #87

I feel incredible pain and sorrow AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #89

right heaven05 Nov 2014 #93

You have no interest in rational AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #97

That was leaked information heaven05 Nov 2014 #50

You know that it's actually racist to assume that only the "correct" makeup of races on the GJ Oktober Nov 2014 #54

Please! heaven05 Nov 2014 #56

I just wanted you to know... Oktober Nov 2014 #57

call me racist heaven05 Nov 2014 #60

Ahh, it's rare but satisfying... Oktober Nov 2014 #64

no closed mind heaven05 Nov 2014 #67

When you say that nothing can change your mind... Oktober Nov 2014 #68

People on here heaven05 Nov 2014 #69

Enjoy... and I hope you'll start to think about how you participate in that culture... Oktober Nov 2014 #71

The fact that you label him AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #78

White wash. jwirr Oct 2014 #9

Buck-buck-BRAWWWWK! KamaAina Oct 2014 #14

Sometimes legal reality is politically inconvenient. True Blue Door Oct 2014 #22

A high threshold.... blackspade Oct 2014 #23

Beyond any reasonable doubt AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #79

That is at trial. blackspade Nov 2014 #103

It is a high bar for everyone AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #104

You are welcome to your illusions about the justice system. blackspade Nov 2014 #107

That's funny AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #116

yeah, right... blackspade Nov 2014 #143

yeah.......right AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #144

Just can't let it go, huh. blackspade Nov 2014 #145

There is only one standard AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #147

Then you live is a dream world. blackspade Nov 2014 #150

Not all attorneys are created equal. branford Nov 2014 #152

And none of this in any way refutes my post. blackspade Nov 2014 #153

Although I disagree with much of your class and race analysis concerning the justice system, branford Nov 2014 #158

That is a grand question... blackspade Nov 2014 #161

If you have no major issues with fundamentals of western jurisprudence, branford Nov 2014 #169

I don't agree on several of your points... blackspade Nov 2014 #174

As an aside, I'm a big proponent of officers with cameras. branford Nov 2014 #175

I was totally with you until your third paragraph. blackspade Nov 2014 #177

My point was that what constitutes a undoubtedly lawful shooting, branford Nov 2014 #178

Could you please try and argue AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #160

You have to be joking. blackspade Nov 2014 #162

Sigh AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #163

Heh. That made me laugh. blackspade Nov 2014 #167

what does it take? heaven05 Oct 2014 #25

It takes evidence AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #80

Have fun with the riots Ferguson and St. Louis. n/t DRoseDARs Oct 2014 #27

You would think though that it would lead to less riots since its the DOJ cstanleytech Oct 2014 #28

Just out of curiosity, did you support the Rodney King uprising in Los Angeles after KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #34

Oh I totally disagreed with the rioting then as now. I also disagreed with the verdict as the cstanleytech Nov 2014 #37

Well, it was arguably the 'rioting' that you oppose that compelled the KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #41

" Denny's beating vanish into the dustbin of history." Wrong beating. cstanleytech Nov 2014 #42

yeah, yeah yeah heaven05 Nov 2014 #45

+1 I've noticed that trend. Gemini Cat Nov 2014 #70

Those pretty little words AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #128

So I take it then that you have full faith and confidence in the system as represented by KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #164

I'll put it this way AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #165

Their being "under a freaking microscope" did not prevent DA McCulloch KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #168

Yes.... AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #170

I did answer it. It's immaterial what the evidence and forensics say, so long as KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #171

Yes or no AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #172

The DoJ prosecutes civil rights violations, not murder and\or its lesser variations. It's entirely KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #173

Got it AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #176

The evidence doesn't matter? What matters is who presents it? Oktober Nov 2014 #179

The prosecutor in this case must avoid not only a conflict of KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #187

Seems like you are trying to prove a negative... Oktober Nov 2014 #188

I love the way you deflect and evade the question: do you have KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #189

It's an accepted legal standard... Oktober Nov 2014 #190

As I said earlier upthread, you and I are not going to convince one another about KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #192

Oops, mis-spoke in my original. Thanks for the annotation. I would though remind you that George KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #62

No, I never said Bush planned anything I said I think the DOJ was probably cstanleytech Nov 2014 #84

your words, slick heaven05 Nov 2014 #47

Umm I am one of the "poor" . cstanleytech Nov 2014 #86

then you heaven05 Nov 2014 #88

Gee I didnt know I had to be both poor and black to have an opinion. cstanleytech Nov 2014 #90

you are entitled to have heaven05 Nov 2014 #94

C'mon Phlem Oct 2014 #30

The entire GOVERNMENT there is violating the People's Civil Rights.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2014 #31

Well maybe this will be what will goad the people to get involved in their government then and cstanleytech Nov 2014 #39

right heaven05 Nov 2014 #48

They've busted almost everybody.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2014 #156

I just checked and according to cstanleytech Nov 2014 #157

Amazing how lax those laws are,...until you consider Republicans. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2014 #159

True I mean they have gerrymandered the hell out of alot of the country but cstanleytech Nov 2014 #166

Actually, the question is does having a criminal record only prevent you from running as a Democrat? Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2014 #186

come on people heaven05 Nov 2014 #44

If the legacy of Michael Brown's extra-judicial execution is to lead to a new KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #74

We'll see what turnout is like in Ferguson. LuvLoogie Nov 2014 #151

I believe heaven05 Nov 2014 #184

What is a copologist? NaturalHigh Nov 2014 #229

It's my neologism for a 'cop apologist'. I'm an old fart and don't KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #231

Wilson will get his eventually JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #181

Yeah heaven05 Nov 2014 #183

Don't let it get you down JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #185

That's because they are putting all their efforts into going after Zimmerman. Township75 Nov 2014 #51

we knew that would be the decision Heather MC Nov 2014 #58

Well of course as to go after him they would have had to be able to prove cstanleytech Nov 2014 #92

Just "look ahead" and stop getting "all sanctimonious" Corruption Inc Nov 2014 #133

when I was in high school heaven05 Nov 2014 #232

breaking marcusqueen Nov 2014 #233

yep +1000 heaven05 Nov 2014 #234