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happyslug

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56. $25 a barrel was true prior to 2002, but NOT today
Sat Nov 8, 2014, 10:52 PM
Nov 2014

The reason for this is the concept of the cost to produce what is needed to fill demand sets price, no matter what is the cost of produce most of the item in demand.

Today, what is needed to fulfil demand is the oil from Fracking. The cost to produce oil from Saudi Arabia is about $2 a barrel, but Saudi Arabia lost control of the price of oil when it could NOT increase oil production enough to offset the drop in production from the North Sea Oil Fields of Britain (The UK today is a net importer of oil, through the North Sea is producing Natural Gas), the North Slope of Alaska, Indonesia, and Mexico.

With the huge drop in production from those areas (and the continued drop in production from conventional US oil fields) and no one able to increase production except for the offshore Mexico Gulf fields (Which was the main replacement for oil from 2002 till about 2006). When oil hit $80 a barrel you finally hit the price where Fracking of Texas oil fields became profitable. Thus the natural price today is $80 a barrel not $25 a barrel and once the fracking fields "Peak out" around 2017 who knows what the price will be.

Please note, given the nature of Fracking financing the price is expected to drop till 2017. I wrote about this elsewhere so I will not repeat it here but in simple terms below $80 a barrel the fracking fields can NOT break even,BUT do to how they are finance, it would cost more NOT to pump then to pump. i.e. They lose the equivalent of $20 a barrel if they produce no oil, but only $5 a barrel if they do pump. Thus the oil is being pumped but at a lost. Thus to minimize lost, the oil must be pumped which put more downward pressure over the next two years. Thus the price will go down, how far no one knows, but it will only last a few years.

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Whew.. don't you know there are a lot of people Peacetrain Nov 2014 #1
Umhm. I immediately wondered how much this may have contributed to the election drubbing. Hortensis Nov 2014 #7
Gold dropped $22 to settle at $1,145.70 an ounce on Wednesday. candelista Nov 2014 #2
gold to drop all the way to $900 an ounce by 2017 Submariner Nov 2014 #29
No one knows where it will be tomorrow, much less in 3 years. candelista Nov 2014 #34
I don't think it'll be that high in 2017 jmowreader Nov 2014 #39
And Glen Beckkk laughs all the way to the bank n2doc Nov 2014 #3
I gotta hope he has lost his ass on this. rurallib Nov 2014 #16
I doubt he has any gold other than watches and jewelry n2doc Nov 2014 #17
He will, once a crazy fan who lost a lot of money goes after him. Crowman1979 Nov 2014 #23
let us hope. That will be fun to watch. rurallib Nov 2014 #33
Thanks GOP! Politicalboi Nov 2014 #4
For people planning on investing in gold, ask yourself this question Kelvin Mace Nov 2014 #5
Time to buy soon. ffr Nov 2014 #6
Boy, you said it with that last. "Getting off the back of business" meant tearing down Hortensis Nov 2014 #9
Boehner speaks. Gold rebounds sharply this AM. ffr Nov 2014 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author ffr Nov 2014 #49
I picture Glenn Beck and Alex Jones having a pitty party over a bottle of scotch. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2014 #8
I picture commercials inviting their audiences to sell their gold NOW! Hortensis Nov 2014 #10
Why would they? Dopers_Greed Nov 2014 #18
Conservatives often buy their own propaganda.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2014 #20
I picture their hardcore fanboys advancing on them with torches & pitchforks! bullwinkle428 Nov 2014 #50
If there were any justice along those lines the Texas rednecks would have done that to Crawford. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2014 #51
Gold isn't an "investment", it's a "hedge" Z_California Nov 2014 #11
Even liberals such as myself should hedge about 10% of wealth in gold. NCjack Nov 2014 #21
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Gold coins will never lose all their value Art_from_Ark Nov 2014 #36
I didn't say gold coins. Just ordinary coins. n/t cosmicone Nov 2014 #37
But in your first paragraph you talked about gold bottoming out Art_from_Ark Nov 2014 #38
If you must buy precious metals, buy junk silver WHEN CRABS ROAR Nov 2014 #25
10%? That's way way way way way too much. Zynx Nov 2014 #54
I take comfort in knowing many teabaggers lost a bundle Dawson Leery Nov 2014 #12
My husband has been a gold bug for the almost 30 years I've been married to him. mnhtnbb Nov 2014 #13
The very reason I ignored all the people touting IT Trading and other gold sites Elmer S. E. Dump Nov 2014 #14
Here is a counter Position on this issue: happyslug Nov 2014 #15
First of all, those prices are for PAPER, NOT GOLD Demeter Nov 2014 #19
smart post n/t Psephos Nov 2014 #40
You can buy Sgent Nov 2014 #59
Gold will be trading between $500-$800 in one year n/t cosmicone Nov 2014 #22
it will go back up... mitchtv Nov 2014 #26
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The Fed cannot raise interest rates. roamer65 Nov 2014 #35
sad to say, you are exactly right n/t Psephos Nov 2014 #41
BTW, I own physical metals, not paper Yavin4 Nov 2014 #42
Good on 'ya. N/t roamer65 Nov 2014 #45
So what is the Gold-Bug excuse gonna be, now? Odin2005 Nov 2014 #32
Gold's natural level is about 350$ a troy ounce. nilesobek Nov 2014 #43
$25 a barrel was true prior to 2002, but NOT today happyslug Nov 2014 #56
Yeah, what does Alan know? DeSwiss Nov 2014 #44
Investing in gold is poor practice Shoonra Nov 2014 #46
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Gold is the anxiety disorder investment. There are not reliable economic factors behind it. Zynx Nov 2014 #55
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Awww! Old Nick Nov 2014 #58
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