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38. Immigrants are not chasing the jobs Americans want.

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 11:46 AM

Nov 2014

At least here in California, undocumented immigrants work bent over picking our strawberries, washing dishes in our restaurants, mowing our lawns and cleaning our toilets.

The fact that we have an "employer's market" is the result of right wing policy and the death of unions, not some immutable "free market" forces of supply and demand. There is no such thing as a free market. That is an Ayn Rand fantasy. The market is shaped by politics and policy.

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Obama rejects Republican warnings on immigration [View all] Omaha Steve Nov 2014 OP

Good news mcar Nov 2014 #1

He should use the same executive order language that St. Reagan did in the 80's when he did amnesty kimbutgar Nov 2014 #2

That would be perfect. freshwest Nov 2014 #14

+1. n/t Jefferson23 Nov 2014 #24

LOL. He could name it the Ronald Reagan Executive Order. SunSeeker Nov 2014 #30

I like the way that sounds. Stellar Nov 2014 #42

They've already made the well poison and hopelessly toxic. NBachers Nov 2014 #3

. Voice for Peace Nov 2014 #6

Exactly Andy823 Nov 2014 #7

Rethuglicans... Plucketeer Nov 2014 #15

That was my thought exactly Martin Eden Nov 2014 #16

That's my president. Baitball Blogger Nov 2014 #4

I saw his interview with Bob Shieffer this morning... Blanks Nov 2014 #5

Could mean the thanks of 'Millions of registered voters...' FailureToCommunicate Nov 2014 #8

Or exactly the reverse. ballyhoo Nov 2014 #9

Now let's hope the Turd Way'ers do not prevail on him to back down - even a little mazzarro Nov 2014 #10

Can't taint an already poisoned well... Veilex Nov 2014 #11

Yeah, the Koch's congress will NEVER work with him Iliyah Nov 2014 #12

Right the koch congress has no intention workinclasszero Nov 2014 #17

US Kochress ? US Sendhate ? Monk06 Nov 2014 #89

That darned well they keep talking about was poisoned 6 years ago! bobGandolf Nov 2014 #13

please don't pleads john mccain otherwise the republican party is finished! jonjensen Nov 2014 #18

Republicans Want To Please Base By Doing Nothing... TomCADem Nov 2014 #19

Please, someone explain to me the meaning of this quote lunamagica Nov 2014 #20

Think Emancipation Proclamation Abouttime Nov 2014 #21

Thank you for the explanation, Abouttime lunamagica Nov 2014 #22

If Congress passes something that supercedes his EO while he is still in office BumRushDaShow Nov 2014 #23

OK, I understand. Thank you BumRushDShow lunamagica Nov 2014 #25

You're welcome! BumRushDaShow Nov 2014 #28

Your slip is showing big time. Darb Nov 2014 #64

Of course Abouttime Nov 2014 #77

EOs rely on the authority of the president over the executive branch. Igel Nov 2014 #27

The president can also prioritze law enforcement. cheapdate Nov 2014 #71

Obama has as much of a mandate as the Republicans, more even. Darb Nov 2014 #82

This will encourage more illegal immigration. candelista Nov 2014 #26

The wage base was destroyed by outsourcing, not undocumented workers. SunSeeker Nov 2014 #31

outsourcing is only part of it. automation is another part of it. paper boy Nov 2014 #32

They already have jobs. azmom Nov 2014 #34

Immigrants are not chasing the jobs Americans want. SunSeeker Nov 2014 #38

you're conflating different types of immigrants and migrant workers paper boy Nov 2014 #39

Your hospital hired undocumented immigrants? SunSeeker Nov 2014 #40

You said that "the wage base was destroyed by outsourcing" paper boy Nov 2014 #41

Care to answer my question? nt SunSeeker Nov 2014 #45

It sounded like paperboy answered your question well. n/t Psephos Nov 2014 #73

Well, his post #41 does show he thinks legal immigrants are not Americans. SunSeeker Nov 2014 #80

appearances can be deceiving Psephos Nov 2014 #81

Yeah, I can understand why you'd step away from that. nt SunSeeker Nov 2014 #87

I neither stepped away from it nor stepped toward it. Psephos Nov 2014 #90

Obama's executive orders seem like a pretty good tool to me. nt SunSeeker Nov 2014 #91

No, they did not. paper boy Nov 2014 #46

So you were complaining about your hospital hiring legal immigrants? SunSeeker Nov 2014 #47

Sorry, but I'm not seeing where I complained about anything. paper boy Nov 2014 #48

" I got along with those ladies just fine." SunSeeker Nov 2014 #52

have working class wages gone up or down over the past decade or two? paper boy Nov 2014 #53

Yes, due to corporate wage theft and outsourcing. SunSeeker Nov 2014 #55

and automation and immigration. paper boy Nov 2014 #58

No, the Kochs like the broken immigration system just the way it is. SunSeeker Nov 2014 #61

I knew undocumented aliens that were working at union places like whirlpool, trane, baldour. Guaguacoa Nov 2014 #43

It is pretty hard to "buy" a social security number and get away with it for a long time. SunSeeker Nov 2014 #44

I brought up latinos as I am mexican (live in mexico). Guaguacoa Nov 2014 #59

None of your links support your claims. SunSeeker Nov 2014 #62

You are clueless and did not bother to read anything. They claim maximum dependents as to not Guaguacoa Nov 2014 #63

I see all you have are insults and straw man arguments. nt SunSeeker Nov 2014 #79

Excellent reply. mimi85 Nov 2014 #85

Legal immigrants don't lower wages any more than Americans entering the workforce do. pampango Nov 2014 #50

Is that why wages have fallen across all sectors except the very top of course over the past decade? paper boy Nov 2014 #51

You're blaming that on immigrants rather than on laws that weaken unions, cut taxes for the rich and pampango Nov 2014 #54

It's hard to draw the conclusion that immigration increases wages paper boy Nov 2014 #56

Great post. nt SunSeeker Nov 2014 #57

No, that's not why wages are falling across all sectors. cheapdate Nov 2014 #69

Nice meme. Darb Nov 2014 #83

It's a topic for discussion. candelista Nov 2014 #86

Fuck the GOP. SunSeeker Nov 2014 #29

+1 cheapdate Nov 2014 #68

EO, Mr President! Old Nick Nov 2014 #33

fuck republicans azmom Nov 2014 #35

we should use cubas immigration rule- get a foot on dry land and you are in the USA forever. Sunlei Nov 2014 #36

Cubanos in Florida are mostly azmom Nov 2014 #37

Mahalo Omaha Steve.. Thank you, Pres Obama.. Cha Nov 2014 #49

maybe he really WAS playing 33 dimensional chess all along. yurbud Nov 2014 #60

Post removed Post removed Nov 2014 #65

Not too subtle. eom uppityperson Nov 2014 #66

That was a travesty. cheapdate Nov 2014 #67

Not quite what this troll said. uppityperson Nov 2014 #70

Paraphrased very closely. That's what they said. cheapdate Nov 2014 #72

I agree with your nice remaking of what they said, not what they said. eom uppityperson Nov 2014 #74

Well, apparently I can't get the exact post back, it's been deleted. cheapdate Nov 2014 #75

As I said, I agree with your take uppityperson Nov 2014 #78

This will hurt Native Americans and African Americans TshaiRedhair Nov 2014 #76

Nice meme. Darb Nov 2014 #84

+1. candelista Nov 2014 #92

KIck.. mahalo Steve Cha Nov 2014 #88