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In reply to the discussion: Traders Are 'Scared As Hell' Of What's Happening In Venezuela [View all]Judi Lynn
(164,164 posts)76. Thought-provoking attempt to try to stretch "banana republic" to fit Maduro's administration! Wow.
Had to run off for a quick search grab to remind people just how this term came into use, for chrissakes.
Banana Republic
"Although the United States is, uh, a very rich country and San Marcos is a very poor one, there are a great many things we have to offer your country in return for aid. For instance, there, uh, there are locusts."
Fielding Mellish, Bananas
Any backwards tropical country (almost always fictitious, more often than not Latin American), that is ruled by a small corrupt clique (often but not always presided over by a man with a chest full of medals and epic facial hair). Also known in Spanish as "República Bananera" or "República del Plátano". Usually a People's Republic of Tyranny or a Puppet State. Will probably contain Jailbirds of Panama.
The terms has its origins in the United Fruit Company, an honest-to-god Mega Corp. with a Corrupt Corporate Executive approach. With the help of their buddies in the CIA, and some "well-intentioned" and actually well intentioned American presidents, United Fruit created countless US-friendly military dictatorships throughout the tropics dedicated to growing bananas. In these countries, United Fruit paid extremely low wages and close to zero taxes. Marxist and Maoist guerrillas surfaced everywhere, and a cycle of civil wars and dictatorial overthrows ensued.
Since it was usually the Communists who opposed the dictatorships note , in Latin America, the term is associated with countries that have governments that are controlled by multinational corporations, and not with just any decadent dictatorship per se. In Europe and the U.S, the connotation tends to fall more closely with that of any dictatorship in any tropical country, capitalist, socialist, or what have you. Although, possible exceptions notwithstanding, there aren't really any left in Latin America these days, they can still be found in Africa and Southeast Asia.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BananaRepublic
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Wikipedia:
Original banana republic
The history of the first banana republic begins with the introduction of the banana to the US in 1870, by Lorenzo Dow Baker, captain of the schooner Telegraph. He initially bought bananas in Jamaica and sold them in Boston at a 1,000 percent profit.[7] The banana proved popular with Americans, as a nutritious tropical fruit that was less expensive than fruit grown locally in the U.S., such as apples. In 1913, for example, twenty-five cents bought a dozen bananas, but only two apples.[8] Its popularity among Americans was also spurred by the American railroad tycoons Henry Meiggs and his nephew, Minor C. Keith, who in 1873 began establishing banana plantations along the railroads they built in Costa Rica to produce food for their railroad workers. This experience led them to recognize the potential profitability of exporting bananas for sale, and they began exporting the fruit to the Southeastern United States.[9]
In the mid-1870s, to manage the new industrial-agriculture business enterprise in the countries of Central America, Keith founded the Tropical Trading and Transport Company: one-half of what would later become the United Fruit Company (Chiquita Brands International, created in 1899 by corporate merger with the Boston Fruit Company and owned by Andrew Preston). By the 1930s, the international political and economic tensions of the United Fruit Company had enabled it to gain control of 80 to 90 per cent of the U.S. banana trade.[10] Nonetheless, despite the UFC monopoly, in 1924, the Vaccaro Brothers established the Standard Fruit Company (Dole Food Company) to export Honduran bananas to the port of New Orleans in the Gulf of Mexico coast of the U.S. The fruit exporters were able to keep U.S. prices so low because the banana companies, through their manipulation of the producing countries' national land use laws, were able to cheaply buy large tracts of prime agricultural land for banana plantations in the countries of the Caribbean Basin, the Central American isthmus, and the tropical South American countries and, having rendered the native peoples landless through a policy of legalistic dispossession, were therefore able to employ them as low-wage workers.[9]
Moreover, by the late 19th century, three American multinational corporations the United Fruit Company, the Standard Fruit Company, and the Cuyamel Fruit Company dominated the cultivation, harvesting, and exportation of bananas, and controlled the road, rail, and port infrastructure of Honduras. In the northern coastal areas near the Caribbean Sea, the Honduran government ceded to the banana companies 500 hectares (1,235.52 acres) for each kilometre of railroad laid, even though there was still no passenger or freight railroad to Tegucigalpa, the national capital city. Among the Honduran people, the United Fruit Company was known as El Pulpo ("The Octopus", because its influence had come to pervade their society, controlled their country's transport infrastructure, and sometimes violently manipulated national politics.[11]
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The history of the first banana republic begins with the introduction of the banana to the US in 1870, by Lorenzo Dow Baker, captain of the schooner Telegraph. He initially bought bananas in Jamaica and sold them in Boston at a 1,000 percent profit.[7] The banana proved popular with Americans, as a nutritious tropical fruit that was less expensive than fruit grown locally in the U.S., such as apples. In 1913, for example, twenty-five cents bought a dozen bananas, but only two apples.[8] Its popularity among Americans was also spurred by the American railroad tycoons Henry Meiggs and his nephew, Minor C. Keith, who in 1873 began establishing banana plantations along the railroads they built in Costa Rica to produce food for their railroad workers. This experience led them to recognize the potential profitability of exporting bananas for sale, and they began exporting the fruit to the Southeastern United States.[9]
In the mid-1870s, to manage the new industrial-agriculture business enterprise in the countries of Central America, Keith founded the Tropical Trading and Transport Company: one-half of what would later become the United Fruit Company (Chiquita Brands International, created in 1899 by corporate merger with the Boston Fruit Company and owned by Andrew Preston). By the 1930s, the international political and economic tensions of the United Fruit Company had enabled it to gain control of 80 to 90 per cent of the U.S. banana trade.[10] Nonetheless, despite the UFC monopoly, in 1924, the Vaccaro Brothers established the Standard Fruit Company (Dole Food Company) to export Honduran bananas to the port of New Orleans in the Gulf of Mexico coast of the U.S. The fruit exporters were able to keep U.S. prices so low because the banana companies, through their manipulation of the producing countries' national land use laws, were able to cheaply buy large tracts of prime agricultural land for banana plantations in the countries of the Caribbean Basin, the Central American isthmus, and the tropical South American countries and, having rendered the native peoples landless through a policy of legalistic dispossession, were therefore able to employ them as low-wage workers.[9]
Moreover, by the late 19th century, three American multinational corporations the United Fruit Company, the Standard Fruit Company, and the Cuyamel Fruit Company dominated the cultivation, harvesting, and exportation of bananas, and controlled the road, rail, and port infrastructure of Honduras. In the northern coastal areas near the Caribbean Sea, the Honduran government ceded to the banana companies 500 hectares (1,235.52 acres) for each kilometre of railroad laid, even though there was still no passenger or freight railroad to Tegucigalpa, the national capital city. Among the Honduran people, the United Fruit Company was known as El Pulpo ("The Octopus", because its influence had come to pervade their society, controlled their country's transport infrastructure, and sometimes violently manipulated national politics.[11]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_republic
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You talking about 'big hair' or whoever it was? I still keep scratching my head over this thing.
freshwest
Nov 2014
#28
"this may all be media spin"--since the VZ gov controls the media, it's not spin
wordpix
Nov 2014
#33
Saudi Arabia/OPEC deflating oil price to compete with natural gas industry(fracking)
Divernan
Nov 2014
#6
That stuff about jobs from the pipeline is a bunch of malarky. Someone built a pipeling through our
jwirr
Nov 2014
#10
The difference is that leak I mentioned. Those other projects do not threaten our natural resources.
jwirr
Nov 2014
#13
Well, we've already seen railcars spilling or exploding. Tankers wouldnt be much safer.
7962
Nov 2014
#14
Fairly safe is not good enough over the aquifer. Why don't they go around the aquifer? If they go
jwirr
Nov 2014
#15
Okay so what is going on here in laymens terms? I have read "The Shock Doctrine" by Naomi Klein
jwirr
Nov 2014
#7
And you are right. We all know it. The sociopaths among us try to keep the truth buried
Judi Lynn
Nov 2014
#59
So if you don't think Venezuela is some kind of paradise you're a "sociopath"? Really?
EX500rider
Nov 2014
#130
Shortages are something you can do something about. Those loans from the IMF make your country
jwirr
Nov 2014
#35
You are right that neither way is going to make much difference. However we have seen the IMF in
jwirr
Nov 2014
#40
They mortgaged their future to China, too. They owe China tens and tens of BILLIONS....
MADem
Nov 2014
#45
We aren't giving away OIL to them. Maduro signed a deal with them to pay them in cheap OIL.
MADem
Nov 2014
#54
Okay now I see the connection. Let them fight it out - don't really care who wins as long as you
jwirr
Nov 2014
#34
Yes. What's sad is that our propaganda frequently becomes self-fulfilling
RufusTFirefly
Nov 2014
#91
Of course, it's been 'mismanaged' ... I mean really, how ELSE could a 'Leftist' system be?
brett_jv
Nov 2014
#24
Absolutely. I doubt that any ideology is needed to produce anger under those situations.
jwirr
Nov 2014
#36
Venezuela has certainly been an enlightening experiment in non-capitalism (nt)
Nye Bevan
Nov 2014
#96
If you could, please point me to the information that will help me understand how VZ doesn't have
hughee99
Nov 2014
#131
Looks like you scared them all off. No replies. But then, what could they SAY? nt
7962
Nov 2014
#110
I think there should be a 5000 post minimum before someone can challenge another's presence. nt
Dreamer Tatum
Nov 2014
#56
It's been that way too long. Sad to read the #### storm from the cluster of winger trolls every time
Judi Lynn
Nov 2014
#58
Yeah, we're all winger trolls because we like to tell the truth about mismanagement and corruption
GGJohn
Nov 2014
#75
You "like to tell the truth about mismanagement and corruption in the VN. Govt." Interesting.
Judi Lynn
Nov 2014
#79
"The troll cluster here passes on, with great heat, what the oddly crafted right-wing line"
EX500rider
Nov 2014
#103
So is this the way it works, anyone who disagrees with you on the corruption in
GGJohn
Nov 2014
#108
Yeah, that's it, it couldn't possibly be the fault of the VN govts. mismanagement of the economy.
GGJohn
Nov 2014
#98
Thought-provoking attempt to try to stretch "banana republic" to fit Maduro's administration! Wow.
Judi Lynn
Nov 2014
#76
Ask the 1 who wrote "Maduro is on way over his head and is beginning the autocratic "banana republic
Judi Lynn
Nov 2014
#81
Pattern is there? You forgot they are puppet governments put in place by US interests,
Judi Lynn
Nov 2014
#82
Obama was positively cackling when he gave the order to impose hyperinflation there (nt)
Nye Bevan
Nov 2014
#95
Will the Vultures like Paul Singer come in at the last minute and buy the debt for a fraction
randys1
Nov 2014
#77
The problem is the dependence on oil, and has been a problem since at least the 1920s
happyslug
Nov 2014
#99
Bond traders, generally, are lying sacks of shit. Sort of like selling used cars.
bemildred
Nov 2014
#97
If you follow the western media narritive on Ven, everyone there should have died a decade ago.
Exultant Democracy
Nov 2014
#106
Here's a thought; maybe the Maduro supporters here should move their savings to Venezuela...
brooklynite
Nov 2014
#128