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karynnj

(61,102 posts)
29. So, I should allow you to cite something she said as Gospel truth because she died?
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 10:51 AM
Nov 2014

Slander implies stating untrue things - what is untrue? Saying a political wife would color the truth for her (his) spouse is not really earth shaking. For a more cynical example, you might remember her contrasting her "staying home" with Jack and Emma Claire to HRC not staying home when Chelsea was young - ignoring SHE worked when Cate and Wade were young - in a sneaky attempt - that she ended up being called on - to allude to Bill's fidelity problem.

Mrs. Edwards, wife of John, who is the candidate, has been over some of this terrain regarding Mrs. Clinton before. Last fall, she told a forum sponsored by Ladies Home Journal that she had some things in common with Mrs. Clinton — they both went to law school and both married lawyers — but that they then made different choices.

“I think my choices have made me happier,” Mrs. Edwards was quoted as saying. “I think I’m more joyful than she is.”


http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/07/17/elizabeth-edwards/

As this article mentioned, she did try to walk this back --- after it ignited a fire storm. (This was NOT surprising to anyone who ever read parenting boards and remembered the unnecessary fight between stay at home and career women.) Given that the Clinton's daughter was (and is) a wonderful person who obviously had good parenting, this was seen by many as bringing up the turbulent Clinton marriage. Note also the date. Elizabeth, at that point, knew about Hunter. Yet she was willing to contrast her perfect marriage/family against what she implied was the less happy Clinton version.

Given that example, do you REALLY want to argue that Elizabeth Edwards was unlikely to say something that was not true - that could help her husband?

Her comments on that were COMPLETELY because there were a large number of left leaning Democrats who were angry that Kerry did not contest 2004. That seems STILL to be the case given that it was alluded to here on a thread about work he has just done as SoS.

What is clear about both Edwards is that they were skilled at reinventing who John Edwards was. In 2004, he was near the right most candidate. In 2008, there was no opening on the right given where HRC was -- so suddenly he had a platform more like Kerry 2004 or Dean 2004 then Edwards 2004. His Senate record was similar to that of Evan Bayh. He voted for the bankruptcy bill -- and given that Elizabeth had been a bankruptcy lawyer, he can't say he did not understand how bad that bill was.

Elizabeth was a great advocate - for her husband and later for health care, but she was a very complex person. Her cancer and her death were tragic - especially as she had to face both without the love of her life really there for her.

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Kerry is Underrated Old Nick Nov 2014 #1
Agree on both counts karynnj Nov 2014 #2
Let me just throw in that Hillary followed by Kerry has been very good underpants Nov 2014 #10
Hillary replaced by anyone is good. blackcrowflies Nov 2014 #22
John McCain, Lindsey Graham or perhaps Joe Lieberman???? karynnj Nov 2014 #23
Bullcrap, but typical of this site. Beacool Nov 2014 #35
K&R right here. And thanks for the background on this. freshwest Nov 2014 #24
Perhaps. But didn't he have his chance to shine? Helen Borg Nov 2014 #17
Do you think if he was picked to be VP in 2016 people would support the up-ticket candidate? ffr Nov 2014 #3
No he said pretty clearly that this was his last government position underpants Nov 2014 #7
I would seriously doubt it karynnj Nov 2014 #11
He's been dishonored enough jmowreader Nov 2014 #19
The Chinese leadership couldn't care less. Shemp Howard Nov 2014 #4
I think the Chinese do care and the reason is quality of life karynnj Nov 2014 #8
I hope you're right! (nt) Shemp Howard Nov 2014 #15
I thought this part of the article was really interesting. hughee99 Nov 2014 #5
The intention has been stated. JDPriestly Nov 2014 #9
I wasn't really asking that. hughee99 Nov 2014 #12
I have not read any details - if they are really available karynnj Nov 2014 #16
I'm not saying there aren't some benefits to the deal, but hughee99 Nov 2014 #20
Imagine what the world would be like if Kerry had become president in 2004. JDPriestly Nov 2014 #6
He might have been, if he'd listened to John Edwards. n/t ColesCountyDem Nov 2014 #18
Or he might have been had he not given in to everyone pushing Edwards as VP karynnj Nov 2014 #21
I would consider Elizabeth Edwards (R.I.P.) a credible source, and she said he did. ColesCountyDem Nov 2014 #26
Elizabeth was lying as well karynnj Nov 2014 #27
Slandering a dead woman. ColesCountyDem Nov 2014 #28
So, I should allow you to cite something she said as Gospel truth because she died? karynnj Nov 2014 #29
You don't know that they were untrue, do you? ColesCountyDem Nov 2014 #30
I do know that when pushed to state what they would have done, they never answered karynnj Nov 2014 #32
Wow! ColesCountyDem Nov 2014 #33
Not super powers karynnj Nov 2014 #34
Factoid. A. David Mazzone, the federal judge who ordered the clean up of Boston harbor, merrily Nov 2014 #13
I think Kerry is a unique person. dballance Nov 2014 #14
Thank you for this karyn.. I had read on the Obama diary that Kerry has been working on the Cha Nov 2014 #25
Thank you for that link karynnj Nov 2014 #31
Yes, Pres Obama chose well when he tapped John Kerry for SOS.. remember all the whining on Cha Nov 2014 #36
Sure do --- some of the loudest whiners even invaded the JK group karynnj Nov 2014 #37
Kerry was the perfect choice! P.S. I added the caption that belongs under the pic. :) Cha Nov 2014 #38
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