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jwirr

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52. When a officer of the law tells you to do something you do it. Wonderful philosophy. How do you
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 10:50 AM
Nov 2014

think that works in all the countries that have a police state today? It was certainly the philosophy of many police states of the past. In all those countries where citizens were disappeared? In all those countries where they were detained with no trials because the police force was working to the dictator? In Germany so many years ago.

I hope that armed rebellion is not the only option that we are left with but what do you suggest when the law is not in the right? When all across the USA the police hold themselves above the law. All those countries I mentioned above should just stop protesting and let them set up their fascist states. Is that what you are suggesting?

The killing of unarmed often innocent victims and other abuses by the police in the USA is rampant. If we do not stop it now when are we going to stop it?

I suggest you find one of the lists of all the people who have been killed by police or vigilantes in the last 4 or 5 years and ask your self if jaywalking, shopping in WalMart, walking home from the store, selling cigarettes from your own pack and many other minor crimes should carry a death penalty administered by the police without any judge and jury. No matter what happened Michael Brown deserved a jury trial not a death sentence. Also this would not be the first cover up by a police force. We seldom find the police guilty of anything anymore. And unfortunately I think that is one of the problems - we have given them a license to kill under almost any kind of situation. I think the fact that they left his body lay uncovered for so many hours speaks volumes. Also the use of their precious military equipment against US citizens.

All I know about the St. Louis is that the Missouri Synod Lutheran Church headquarters is located there. What I am seeing from watching this incident on live stream from the beginning is that there is a real problem with hate in this area. You did not talk about the hate in your op and that is the problem. The underlying problem is being totally ignored and the police force is supporting the haters.

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sure seems like it... hopemountain Nov 2014 #1
Now, if I'm a person of color or of conscience there, I really must ask myself: Is there any point KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #3
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2014 #21
Do you really believe the Mike Brown case is an abnormality? Live and Learn Nov 2014 #24
It's an anomaly in that most young men, killed on the street aren't engaged with police. As the CDC 24601 Nov 2014 #61
EXCELLENT POST AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #104
Peaceful coexistence with what? randys1 Nov 2014 #126
I know heaven05 Nov 2014 #130
Tear gas AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #134
you are not fooling anyone heaven05 Nov 2014 #136
I don't believe heaven05 Nov 2014 #120
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2014 #62
''We are a country of laws.'' DeSwiss Nov 2014 #29
So what are you willing to do about it? Are you willing to throw the President who ordered it in 24601 Nov 2014 #129
"Ease up on the stupid talk" - what's stupid in this case is KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #31
Doesn't really matter if race was a factor or not.. sendero Nov 2014 #34
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2014 #63
Another police apologist. Feral Child Nov 2014 #35
+1000 heaven05 Nov 2014 #39
Thanks, h05! Feral Child Nov 2014 #83
This is a damned fine response and I think I'm going to shut up on KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #49
Thank you very much, KC Feral Child Nov 2014 #80
Post removed Post removed Nov 2014 #64
Horseshit. Couching your apology for Wilson in rhetorical concessions GoneFishin Nov 2014 #36
Evidence doesn't seem to support that he was shot in the back phil89 Nov 2014 #56
The shots to the arm indicate he either was shot from behind with his arms down GoneFishin Nov 2014 #66
Your claims are not supported by the official autopsy of Michael Brown. branford Nov 2014 #68
Your claims are not supported by the pathologist who was misquoted in your link. GoneFishin Nov 2014 #89
Read the actual report linked in the article. branford Nov 2014 #95
The evidence is muddled. I'll concede that. But you are quick to make shaky claims based on your GoneFishin Nov 2014 #141
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He was unarmed and hands up heaven05 Nov 2014 #137
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everytime I read this BS response heaven05 Nov 2014 #44
When a officer of the law tells you to do something you do it. Wonderful philosophy. How do you jwirr Nov 2014 #52
well said! gopiscrap Nov 2014 #54
excellent heaven05 Nov 2014 #111
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Welcome to DU. NaturalHigh Nov 2014 #58
we already know what's coming from that grand jury noiretextatique Nov 2014 #60
Non-Violent billhicks76 Nov 2014 #26
I'm a big fan of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising and am not a big fan of people sitting around KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #33
That is an amazing passage. GoneFishin Nov 2014 #37
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been non-violently protesting for heaven05 Nov 2014 #45
You are fun AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #103
Why would it defy the DoJ? GGJohn Nov 2014 #4
true. i doubt the doj included such a request in their talks hopemountain Nov 2014 #6
I can see the DoJ making that request, GGJohn Nov 2014 #7
Jackson might not have much say in it though. If the officer isnt indicted cstanleytech Nov 2014 #15
You are, of course, correct. GGJohn Nov 2014 #16
Are they supposed to fire him anyway? The police union would certainly Calista241 Nov 2014 #2
So everything's hunky-dory, the Grand Jury ensured that justice was done, so let's KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #5
sure, the bullies are bent on hopemountain Nov 2014 #8
I won't advocate that people there take up armed struggle, since I can't be there KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #10
There are rules that have to be followed to fire people in police departments. Calista241 Nov 2014 #9
^^^This^^^ GGJohn Nov 2014 #12
Your 'rules' will mean very, very little if this Grand Jury fails to indict. - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #13
So the GJ should indict to keep the peace? GGJohn Nov 2014 #17
There is plenty of evidence to indict Ash_F Nov 2014 #74
IYO, there is plenty of evidence, GGJohn Nov 2014 #75
Whites make up 29% of the population there, but get 75% of the grand jury. Ash_F Nov 2014 #76
Or there's just not the evidence that you proclaim there to be. GGJohn Nov 2014 #78
If the county government was not worried, they would seat a proper jury. /nt Ash_F Nov 2014 #84
Who says they haven't? GGJohn Nov 2014 #93
The courts are a county government function. Calista241 Nov 2014 #86
Still an unrepresentative jury. /nt Ash_F Nov 2014 #90
Saint Louis County, where Ferguson is Calista241 Nov 2014 #94
I know. Is that supposed to make it a representative jury? /nt Ash_F Nov 2014 #125
So with 2/3 of the residents heaven05 Nov 2014 #133
The grand jury was seated before the shooting hack89 Nov 2014 #138
St. Louis County is the jurisdiction of the alleged offense, branford Nov 2014 #139
Ohhh, trust heaven05 Nov 2014 #140
Like there was plenty of evidence to convict OJ? One_Life_To_Give Nov 2014 #123
OJ would have been convicted if not for Rodney King Ash_F Nov 2014 #124
What does that even mean? Oktober Nov 2014 #22
Until you have read this article and can summarize its argument in a paragraph and KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #32
They can always hire Zimmerman as a replacement ...he'd fit right in. L0oniX Nov 2014 #48
He's probably already got his resume in, looks like a perfect fit for him. n/t RKP5637 Nov 2014 #79
Absolutely not true. Feral Child Nov 2014 #81
Like noticing an officer is not writing enough tickets to the poor Black community? Ash_F Nov 2014 #85
Think he will be wearing a bullet proof vest a lot? L0oniX Nov 2014 #47
I sure wouldn't want to be his partner. - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #55
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If there is no indictment AnalystInParadise Nov 2014 #105
ya think? heaven05 Nov 2014 #41
I think the union would think twice Supersedeas Nov 2014 #142
enough people of color have suffered and died at the hands hopemountain Nov 2014 #11
Peace without justice is a hollow value. Nazi Germany had peace from 1933-39, but KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #14
damn!!! heaven05 Nov 2014 #42
I don't see anything good coming out of this... secondwind Nov 2014 #18
Jackson has distinguished himself throughout by throwing lit KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #19
Odd the same Righties lobodons Nov 2014 #20
+1 historylovr Nov 2014 #50
Well, Sherman A1 Nov 2014 #23
+1 nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #27
Don't think it's just you, Charlemagne.. but, are they bright enough to realize it? Cha Nov 2014 #25
Seems so to me. nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #28
because nothing could go wrong MFM008 Nov 2014 #30
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The KKK has spoken. L0oniX Nov 2014 #46
Probably not a good idea, Mr. chief. oldandhappy Nov 2014 #51
If they choose to keep this person employed Feral Child Nov 2014 #82
Well, if he's not proven guilty of misconduct, that's his right. NaturalHigh Nov 2014 #57
and he also has a license to kill noiretextatique Nov 2014 #59
He'd be walking around with a bullseye on his back. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2014 #65
Right. If he does return to active duty, he'd better wear bullet-proof clothing. n/t RebelOne Nov 2014 #67
Are the people of Ferguson a violent group? Nt hack89 Nov 2014 #69
Probably not any more than anywhere else in America. n/t Comrade Grumpy Nov 2014 #70
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