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branford

(4,462 posts)
12. No.
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 12:39 AM
Nov 2014

If what you are saying was remotely true, there would be numerous civil and criminal fraud and related prosecutions of these groups. Could you kindly cite or link to articles or cases about how the groups who applied for the 501(c)(4) status were charged with wrongdoing, civilly or criminally? I do not believe that the IRS has even been able to cite any improprieties by these groups in the lawsuits against the IRS, and virtually all were approved. Additionally, the fact that the IRS clearly requested materials like certain membership lists that they could not legally demand, speaks for itself (some of which were leaked to private groups opposing same sex marriage, another severe breach of federal privacy laws which resulted in punishments).

For heaven's sake, the White House has already condemned the targeting. The only issue is the extent and identities of the individuals who targeted, i.e., did the orders come from the White House. High level and career civil servants do not claim their Fifth Amendment rights against self-incrimination and government agencies do not mysteriously lose innumerable email, texts and other material from multiple high and mid-level employees, if everything they were doing complied with the law. If the targeted groups were progressive, the outrage would, quite rightly, match or exceed conservative complaints.

You may believe the Tea Party groups were getting the scrutiny they "deserved," but the law clearly does not give civil servants the discretion to make such determinations based on the content of the beliefs of such groups.

You might also note that the 501(c)(4) groups, liberal and conservative, were, and are, actually permitted under the law to engage in "limited" partisan activities. The fact that a lot of new 501(c)(4)'s supported conservative causes or even had "Tea" in their name did not remove their First Amendment protections or permit additional scrutiny by civil servants.

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why WOULDN'T they give extra scrutiny to teabagging assholes? Skittles Nov 2014 #1
Attitudes like that are not helpful. branford Nov 2014 #2
Well said ripcord Nov 2014 #3
Hatred of taxes IS a constitutionally-protected political belief... jmowreader Nov 2014 #5
The Tea Party groups were engaged in activities that fell under the relevant tax code provisions, branford Nov 2014 #8
a quality post Psephos Nov 2014 #19
Here's the basic deal, when the Teabaggers started getting all pissed off, Darb Nov 2014 #10
No. branford Nov 2014 #12
Speaking as a civil servant - because we check ideology at the door. You enforce the rule of law 24601 Nov 2014 #6
they're claiming non-profit status while pimping for candidates Skittles Nov 2014 #7
You can blame the tax code regulations that actually permit limited campaigning branford Nov 2014 #9
Someone has apparently misled you regarding the distinctions between 501c(3) and 501c(4) 24601 Nov 2014 #11
and how many were denied the requested status due to the so-called extra scrutiny Skittles Nov 2014 #13
Not only irrelevant, it supports the fact that the extra scrutiny was entirely undeserved. branford Nov 2014 #14
How convienent. On the day they finally admit Bengahzi is bullshit, hope for the teabaggers... Thor_MN Nov 2014 #4
Eggs-actly what I thought: HOW CONVENIENT! DemoTex Nov 2014 #16
I like the analogy!! Thor_MN Nov 2014 #17
investigation into inappropriate treatment by the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) Bandit Nov 2014 #15
ISSA was fired from the oversight committe because of his many LIES. His only mission was targeted sammy750 Nov 2014 #18
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