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freshwest

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63. Thanks for posting that. I just googled about this 2008 raid and found there is a lot at Wikiepedia:
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 03:02 PM
Nov 2014
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Postville_Raid&printable=yes

Then I looked to see who in the management of the company did time:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sholom_Rubashkin&printable=yes

The first entry shows that Bush wanted to make this into a 'model' for dealing with immigration. I wonder what a McCain/Palin administration would have done.

Or a Romney/Ryan administratrion. Ryan has organized his followers on the issue of immigration as he wanted to repeal the 14th Amendment. He laid out a plan in a video posted here that I reposted, but it's since been removed.

That video was made in Wisconsin. The people there were particularly hostile to hispanics and the idea of repealing Birthright Citizenship was their way of preventing them from being full citizens.

I've many times written about the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments, how they came about, and what the loss of them would be. The 14th not only has Birthright Citizenship, used to increase the rights of freed slaves, but also Due Process and Equal Treatment Under the Law. Take those out of Constiutional law, and every case since then decided for the rights of the individual, such as Roe v. Wade have no Constitutional basis.

Because the 4th Amendment, loudly touted by Paul supporters, did not end slavery. It failed in the Dred Scott decision, upon which Scott based his rights, when the USSC ruled that 'African Americans had no claim to freedom or citizenship. Since they were not citizens, they did not possess the legal standing to bring suit in a federal court... The ruling of the court helped catalyze sentiment for Abraham Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation and the three constitutional amendments ratified shortly after the Civil War: the Thirteenth, Fourteenth and Fifteenth amendments, abolishing slavery, granting former slaves citizenship, and conferring citizenship to anyone born in the United States (excluding those subject to a foreign power such as children of foreign ambassadors). It took a war to make that happen, and some still don't accept it.

The leaders of the Confederacy said that 'a black person had no rights that a white person was required to grant.' Also that the Founders' ideals of Equality were the fatal flaw in their way of thinking, that they were mentally unsound, as God had ordained that only white males were fit to rule, not women or POC.

While the 4th was about an invasion of rights, that was for a certain class, race and sex of people. Roe v Wader and other issues were decided on the basis of the 14th as an extension of the 4th and other cases.

Imagine an America without the right of citizenship for all born here. That leads to what the 14th was meant to stop, slavery. Imagine an America without the right to Due Process enshrined in law, whether is it not always adhered to, like many parts of our legal framework. That is the road to being in fief to the richest persons in the neighborhood. And we don't even want to 'go there' with the effects of eliminating Equal Treatment Under the Law. Our modern society is built upon these things.

Ryan said that what they want is to have a Constitutional Convention to eliminate the 14th. He promised his supporters that it would be as soon as they get enough states 'red' in their legislatures, to call for one to be convened. Every single thing that Ryan and the rest of the GOP do are on the Koch agenda since Charles' failed presidential campaign in the 1980. .If nothing else, these fanatics do know the law and don't take it for granted as if it is written in stone, because it isn't.

But after repealing the 14th, women's suffrage would be next on the list, along with the amendment granting taxing power to support the federal government as a whole and others by forming the IRS. Another thing the Koches demand be elimimated.

The RWNJs want all of the Amendments after the 10th repealed. Those were all major changes to make this nation more democratic. They want their states rights concept to rule over their population, the argument for the Confederacy. Their "popular sovereignty" movement is what started the Civil War. They want that to happen again, and they intend to win it by pushing all federal law aside. Example would be the Bundy fiasco and the attempt to steal public law across the west, the latest would the take over of a town mentioned here at DU by armed men, and this is not unknown. Exactly what happened before the last Civil War began. This is part of the Tenther and Sovereign Citizen Movements now with a lot of media complicity.

We can either be what we believed ourselves to be about, Equal rights for all, or we will all lose our rights.

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Return of Spanish territory? Return to whom? hughee99 Nov 2014 #1
In addition to being a racist demagogue, Kobach is an imperialist Jack Rabbit Nov 2014 #17
Is he in favor of giving the east coast back to the english or the midwest back to the French too? hughee99 Nov 2014 #21
Of course not Jack Rabbit Nov 2014 #26
Is KKk in favor of returning America to the original inhabitants? Dont call me Shirley Nov 2014 #45
i believe this guy is the real deal noiretextatique Nov 2014 #32
A lot of those right-wing anti-immigration groups accuse most Mexican-Americans of being in the Rozlee Nov 2014 #39
My guess is it must be a small number of people that belong to it davidpdx Nov 2014 #42
But it is big enough that Absolut Vodka markets to them FrodosPet Nov 2014 #46
Mexicans are bitter over the loss of their most productive regions. Rozlee Nov 2014 #54
One may believe that Geico Insurance attempted to break into the Australopithecus demographic... LanternWaste Nov 2014 #55
Spain, of course. But if Catalan independence succeeds, which Spain? tclambert Nov 2014 #48
Well a least that kind of talk will increase gun sales. upaloopa Nov 2014 #2
Latinos are as kind and benevolent a people as any. Anansi1171 Nov 2014 #3
EXACTLY! staggerleem Nov 2014 #57
Just the kinda guy you want running elections. deurbano Nov 2014 #4
Project much? tk2kewl Nov 2014 #5
What YOU said ^^^ annabanana Nov 2014 #59
+1 That was my thought as well. nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #67
We will Kobach. *puts on Dracula voice* geomon666 Nov 2014 #6
Pinche Kobach! :) - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #8
No, they wouldn't, Mr. Kobach. AverageJoe90 Nov 2014 #7
the scariest part is that people still voted for this loon in a statewide election big_dog Nov 2014 #12
I wish I could say don't listen to him MuseRider Nov 2014 #9
Mr Kobach, a person who has earned the right to vote is not a newly legalized alien but a newly Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #10
whatta-dumbass you are Kobach. irisblue Nov 2014 #11
There is a deep seated fear amongst many white people that they are going to pay for their past. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2014 #14
You're probably right. atreides1 Nov 2014 #20
The message of the Republicans is "Vote for us or it's the end of White America"... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2014 #33
You'd think those people would stop being assholes then. stillwaiting Nov 2014 #60
I've heard these guys claim it's not fair for them to get blamed.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2014 #62
This guy must be trolling to be put in charge of US/Mexico relations. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2014 #13
Whenever a repuke says something like that they're projecting hobbit709 Nov 2014 #15
2 questions for Kobach: Klan regalia or Nazi brownshirt? Which one does Kobach like? muntrv Nov 2014 #16
Kobach was Mitt Romney's advisor on voter supression, arguing cases before SCOTUS big_dog Nov 2014 #18
I'm guessing brownshirt geardaddy Nov 2014 #24
Projection, anyone? meow2u3 Nov 2014 #19
He must think this is a real ad. geardaddy Nov 2014 #22
OMG...get me a Depends!-nt Anansi1171 Nov 2014 #27
LOL! The only reason I miss having cable television... freshwest Nov 2014 #35
I hope they start with his cracker ass d_b Nov 2014 #23
OMG! SoapBox Nov 2014 #25
I think he doesn't know his own American History. Most of the west was part of Mexico and was demosincebirth Nov 2014 #28
To quote president Bartlett: "This is how we beat them!" Ryano42 Nov 2014 #29
Calling a national front organization an immigrants rights group is rich. HereSince1628 Nov 2014 #30
Even worse, Kris. tanyev Nov 2014 #31
Shovel + Hole meet the Republican Party ebbie15644 Nov 2014 #34
You mean they'd run out the assholes? Go for it! Take the moron ammosexuals, too! nt valerief Nov 2014 #36
Nice projection there, Kris. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #37
Fear mongering is all they've got. QED Nov 2014 #38
Paybacks are a bitch, gringo! Boomer Nov 2014 #40
Clensing: El Shaman Nov 2014 #41
I thoughht Kenyans were suppose to take over the White House and paint it black?? Can't keep up with lunasun Nov 2014 #43
Gotta keep up the fear factor. Ebola is kinda fading and ISIS isn't close enough. sinkingfeeling Nov 2014 #44
Ever notice how the only assholes who talk about minorities performing "ethnic cleansing" Arkana Nov 2014 #47
Republicans need another round of minority outreach seminars. tclambert Nov 2014 #49
I know a lot of hispanics leftyladyfrommo Nov 2014 #50
This is what ethnic cleansing looks like stone space Nov 2014 #51
Thanks for posting that. I just googled about this 2008 raid and found there is a lot at Wikiepedia: freshwest Nov 2014 #63
gee, kris, are you afraid that they will treat whites the way whites treated/are treating them? niyad Nov 2014 #52
hmm, any thoughts about the indigenous groups, kris? or do you have any idea of this country's niyad Nov 2014 #53
No, they won't adieu Nov 2014 #56
GOP, thy name is PROJECTION blkmusclmachine Nov 2014 #58
Dude should use what happened to Native Americans as an example IronLionZion Nov 2014 #61
It's horrifying how many people in this country WANT a bloody Armageddon Hekate Nov 2014 #64
Really... What the hell is going on in the back of his mind about white people? MrScorpio Nov 2014 #65
He's only saying this because Kobach knows what he would do in the majority. nilesobek Nov 2014 #66
RIGHT WING HYPOCRITE FASCISTS turbinetree Nov 2014 #68
"what happens...when one culture heaven05 Nov 2014 #69
Kicking out 11 million people... HoosierCowboy Nov 2014 #70
Jeez, Kobach! VA_Jill Nov 2014 #71
Ethnic cleansing? Wow that's a bit extreme there. Initech Nov 2014 #72
The majority of Hispanics are Catholics douggg Nov 2014 #73
The GOP is forever looking for a "Fifty-four Forty or Fight!" slogan. C Moon Nov 2014 #74
Lands of Mexico Lamonte Nov 2014 #75
Korbach is onto us! Blue_Tires Nov 2014 #76
Kris Kobach is an idiot Gothmog Nov 2014 #77
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