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In reply to the discussion: Kobach Wonders If Hispanic Majority Would Conduct 'Ethnic Cleansing' In U.S [View all]freshwest
(53,661 posts)63. Thanks for posting that. I just googled about this 2008 raid and found there is a lot at Wikiepedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Postville_Raid&printable=yes
Then I looked to see who in the management of the company did time:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sholom_Rubashkin&printable=yes
The first entry shows that Bush wanted to make this into a 'model' for dealing with immigration. I wonder what a McCain/Palin administration would have done.
Or a Romney/Ryan administratrion. Ryan has organized his followers on the issue of immigration as he wanted to repeal the 14th Amendment. He laid out a plan in a video posted here that I reposted, but it's since been removed.
That video was made in Wisconsin. The people there were particularly hostile to hispanics and the idea of repealing Birthright Citizenship was their way of preventing them from being full citizens.
I've many times written about the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments, how they came about, and what the loss of them would be. The 14th not only has Birthright Citizenship, used to increase the rights of freed slaves, but also Due Process and Equal Treatment Under the Law. Take those out of Constiutional law, and every case since then decided for the rights of the individual, such as Roe v. Wade have no Constitutional basis.
Because the 4th Amendment, loudly touted by Paul supporters, did not end slavery. It failed in the Dred Scott decision, upon which Scott based his rights, when the USSC ruled that 'African Americans had no claim to freedom or citizenship. Since they were not citizens, they did not possess the legal standing to bring suit in a federal court... The ruling of the court helped catalyze sentiment for Abraham Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation and the three constitutional amendments ratified shortly after the Civil War: the Thirteenth, Fourteenth and Fifteenth amendments, abolishing slavery, granting former slaves citizenship, and conferring citizenship to anyone born in the United States (excluding those subject to a foreign power such as children of foreign ambassadors). It took a war to make that happen, and some still don't accept it.
The leaders of the Confederacy said that 'a black person had no rights that a white person was required to grant.' Also that the Founders' ideals of Equality were the fatal flaw in their way of thinking, that they were mentally unsound, as God had ordained that only white males were fit to rule, not women or POC.
While the 4th was about an invasion of rights, that was for a certain class, race and sex of people. Roe v Wader and other issues were decided on the basis of the 14th as an extension of the 4th and other cases.
Imagine an America without the right of citizenship for all born here. That leads to what the 14th was meant to stop, slavery. Imagine an America without the right to Due Process enshrined in law, whether is it not always adhered to, like many parts of our legal framework. That is the road to being in fief to the richest persons in the neighborhood. And we don't even want to 'go there' with the effects of eliminating Equal Treatment Under the Law. Our modern society is built upon these things.
Ryan said that what they want is to have a Constitutional Convention to eliminate the 14th. He promised his supporters that it would be as soon as they get enough states 'red' in their legislatures, to call for one to be convened. Every single thing that Ryan and the rest of the GOP do are on the Koch agenda since Charles' failed presidential campaign in the 1980. .If nothing else, these fanatics do know the law and don't take it for granted as if it is written in stone, because it isn't.
But after repealing the 14th, women's suffrage would be next on the list, along with the amendment granting taxing power to support the federal government as a whole and others by forming the IRS. Another thing the Koches demand be elimimated.
The RWNJs want all of the Amendments after the 10th repealed. Those were all major changes to make this nation more democratic. They want their states rights concept to rule over their population, the argument for the Confederacy. Their "popular sovereignty" movement is what started the Civil War. They want that to happen again, and they intend to win it by pushing all federal law aside. Example would be the Bundy fiasco and the attempt to steal public law across the west, the latest would the take over of a town mentioned here at DU by armed men, and this is not unknown. Exactly what happened before the last Civil War began. This is part of the Tenther and Sovereign Citizen Movements now with a lot of media complicity.
We can either be what we believed ourselves to be about, Equal rights for all, or we will all lose our rights.
Then I looked to see who in the management of the company did time:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sholom_Rubashkin&printable=yes
The first entry shows that Bush wanted to make this into a 'model' for dealing with immigration. I wonder what a McCain/Palin administration would have done.
Or a Romney/Ryan administratrion. Ryan has organized his followers on the issue of immigration as he wanted to repeal the 14th Amendment. He laid out a plan in a video posted here that I reposted, but it's since been removed.
That video was made in Wisconsin. The people there were particularly hostile to hispanics and the idea of repealing Birthright Citizenship was their way of preventing them from being full citizens.
I've many times written about the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments, how they came about, and what the loss of them would be. The 14th not only has Birthright Citizenship, used to increase the rights of freed slaves, but also Due Process and Equal Treatment Under the Law. Take those out of Constiutional law, and every case since then decided for the rights of the individual, such as Roe v. Wade have no Constitutional basis.
Because the 4th Amendment, loudly touted by Paul supporters, did not end slavery. It failed in the Dred Scott decision, upon which Scott based his rights, when the USSC ruled that 'African Americans had no claim to freedom or citizenship. Since they were not citizens, they did not possess the legal standing to bring suit in a federal court... The ruling of the court helped catalyze sentiment for Abraham Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation and the three constitutional amendments ratified shortly after the Civil War: the Thirteenth, Fourteenth and Fifteenth amendments, abolishing slavery, granting former slaves citizenship, and conferring citizenship to anyone born in the United States (excluding those subject to a foreign power such as children of foreign ambassadors). It took a war to make that happen, and some still don't accept it.
The leaders of the Confederacy said that 'a black person had no rights that a white person was required to grant.' Also that the Founders' ideals of Equality were the fatal flaw in their way of thinking, that they were mentally unsound, as God had ordained that only white males were fit to rule, not women or POC.
While the 4th was about an invasion of rights, that was for a certain class, race and sex of people. Roe v Wader and other issues were decided on the basis of the 14th as an extension of the 4th and other cases.
Imagine an America without the right of citizenship for all born here. That leads to what the 14th was meant to stop, slavery. Imagine an America without the right to Due Process enshrined in law, whether is it not always adhered to, like many parts of our legal framework. That is the road to being in fief to the richest persons in the neighborhood. And we don't even want to 'go there' with the effects of eliminating Equal Treatment Under the Law. Our modern society is built upon these things.
Ryan said that what they want is to have a Constitutional Convention to eliminate the 14th. He promised his supporters that it would be as soon as they get enough states 'red' in their legislatures, to call for one to be convened. Every single thing that Ryan and the rest of the GOP do are on the Koch agenda since Charles' failed presidential campaign in the 1980. .If nothing else, these fanatics do know the law and don't take it for granted as if it is written in stone, because it isn't.
But after repealing the 14th, women's suffrage would be next on the list, along with the amendment granting taxing power to support the federal government as a whole and others by forming the IRS. Another thing the Koches demand be elimimated.
The RWNJs want all of the Amendments after the 10th repealed. Those were all major changes to make this nation more democratic. They want their states rights concept to rule over their population, the argument for the Confederacy. Their "popular sovereignty" movement is what started the Civil War. They want that to happen again, and they intend to win it by pushing all federal law aside. Example would be the Bundy fiasco and the attempt to steal public law across the west, the latest would the take over of a town mentioned here at DU by armed men, and this is not unknown. Exactly what happened before the last Civil War began. This is part of the Tenther and Sovereign Citizen Movements now with a lot of media complicity.
We can either be what we believed ourselves to be about, Equal rights for all, or we will all lose our rights.
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big_dog
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Is he in favor of giving the east coast back to the english or the midwest back to the French too?
hughee99
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One may believe that Geico Insurance attempted to break into the Australopithecus demographic...
LanternWaste
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#55
the scariest part is that people still voted for this loon in a statewide election
big_dog
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Mr Kobach, a person who has earned the right to vote is not a newly legalized alien but a newly
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There is a deep seated fear amongst many white people that they are going to pay for their past.
Spitfire of ATJ
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The message of the Republicans is "Vote for us or it's the end of White America"...
Spitfire of ATJ
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2 questions for Kobach: Klan regalia or Nazi brownshirt? Which one does Kobach like?
muntrv
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big_dog
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I think he doesn't know his own American History. Most of the west was part of Mexico and was
demosincebirth
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Calling a national front organization an immigrants rights group is rich.
HereSince1628
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You mean they'd run out the assholes? Go for it! Take the moron ammosexuals, too! nt
valerief
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I thoughht Kenyans were suppose to take over the White House and paint it black?? Can't keep up with
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Gotta keep up the fear factor. Ebola is kinda fading and ISIS isn't close enough.
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Arkana
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Thanks for posting that. I just googled about this 2008 raid and found there is a lot at Wikiepedia:
freshwest
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#63
gee, kris, are you afraid that they will treat whites the way whites treated/are treating them?
niyad
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hmm, any thoughts about the indigenous groups, kris? or do you have any idea of this country's
niyad
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Really... What the hell is going on in the back of his mind about white people?
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