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humbled_opinion

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38. Yes it is and no I'm not...

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 09:22 PM

Nov 2014

Low skilled migrant workers right now do not compete with American citizens in the job market because they work off the books. Many poor and minority people also work off the books so that they can continue to collect some benefits and thus have a minimal existence. This move has created the conditions where 5 million people were just added to the job market they can apply to work at McDOnalds, Supermarkets, Walmart, etc jobs that young people and many minorities can find as their sole source of employment. This added competition without creating additional jobs hurts the African American community the most.

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Obama announces immigration overhaul shielding 4 million from deportation [View all] ucrdem Nov 2014 OP

k/r Dawson Leery Nov 2014 #1

I like fighting mode confrontational Obama. Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #2

It's a good speech so far ucrdem Nov 2014 #4

WaPo: Almost half of all undocumented immigrants could gain protection ucrdem Nov 2014 #3

Every increase in the labor pool drives down wages. candelista Nov 2014 #5

Totally agree with you. 840high Nov 2014 #11

except these people are already in the labor pool. got any more dumb talking points? nt geek tragedy Nov 2014 #16

Indefatigable... Cha Nov 2014 #23

Yeah right? Darb Nov 2014 #25

Paying sub minimum wage money hurts poor workers. bravenak Nov 2014 #27

Some downthread call them the enemy who should be deported. Zero sum logic per Rush. freshwest Nov 2014 #30

It so much easier to find an ememy than a solution. bravenak Nov 2014 #31

they are already working KT2000 Nov 2014 #32

Slavery drove down the wages of freedmen, too. Why be for abolishing slavery then as a moral wrong, freshwest Nov 2014 #33

Is that why wages were so much lower in the 1960's than in the 1930's? There was an increase of 50% pampango Nov 2014 #34

There isn't an increase, they are already here and working. nt lunamagica Nov 2014 #6

Yeah as slaves humbled_opinion Nov 2014 #12

With all due respect, wouldn't that push pay scales up? DLnyc Nov 2014 #15

Yep and they will compete in this job market humbled_opinion Nov 2014 #37

1) that's not how things work; 2) you're advocating keeping them as slaves nt geek tragedy Nov 2014 #17

Yes it is and no I'm not... humbled_opinion Nov 2014 #38

"Low skilled migrant workers right now do not compete with American citizens in the job market ..." pampango Nov 2014 #43

I am not debating the political principles of the policy humbled_opinion Nov 2014 #44

You posted that 'low skilled immigrants' are already competing with 'poor and minority people'. pampango Nov 2014 #45

AFL-CIO: our broken immigration system has allowed employers to drive down wages and working pampango Nov 2014 #35

You know that would be great humbled_opinion Nov 2014 #39

This could hurt CullenBohannon Nov 2014 #7

I don't think so. They decrease wages for all when they work under the table at lower wages. freshwest Nov 2014 #8

That's ridiculous. candelista Nov 2014 #9

Try this out and tell me who's being ridiculous: freshwest Nov 2014 #13

He's right about the border. ucrdem Nov 2014 #14

You're welcome and thanks for the thread. I personally saw the game being played out by employers in freshwest Nov 2014 #22

The rational thing for site admins would be to deport xenophobic wingnuts from DU nt geek tragedy Nov 2014 #19

Who just love Putin but always have some problem with Pres Obama.. It's puzzling :) Cha Nov 2014 #24

And ratcheting up the personal attacks, with no links, because they'd be RW ones. freshwest Nov 2014 #42

Obama's action will NOT increase the size of the labor pool Martin Eden Nov 2014 #36

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That is a pollyana view of the job market humbled_opinion Nov 2014 #40

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This message was self-deleted by its author geek tragedy Nov 2014 #18

Gee, maybe they should all organize together in unions or something. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2014 #20

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Certainly that would help humbled_opinion Nov 2014 #41

A larger percentage of DUers sounded like you back when Bush tried to do immigration reform. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2014 #21

Wrong. Darb Nov 2014 #26