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3. If you follow the link you will see that

Sun Nov 23, 2014, 12:44 AM

Nov 2014

1. The orange markings which help identify an 'airsoft' as a toy had been removed.
2. They police ordered him to put his hands up and instead he reached for his waistband for what appeared to be a handgun.

Now, of course, that is the police version. I looked at the 'airsoft' page. These 'toys' shoot BB's@390-500+ FPS depending on the model. Also, again depending on the model, some need to be cocked before each shot. Others come with semi-automatic, and still others come with full-automatic mode. The one I was looking at which came with full-automatic mode had a 470 BB's magazine.

What I want to know is what was this kid doing waving his 'gun' in a Rec Center? Where were his parents?

I'm going to be real hesitant to rush to judgement on this one. I want to hear some witness statements before I automatically decide the cops were gun-happy.

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Cops Shoot Boy, 12, Carrying 'Airsoft' Toy in Cleveland [View all] IDemo Nov 2014 OP

Did they even ask? Prophet 451 Nov 2014 #1

"toy" gun kardonb Nov 2014 #2

"why did this little punk remove the orange marking" Wow. You justify his getting shot because rhett o rick Nov 2014 #11

We dont know if the kid removed the markings of if someone else did or if cstanleytech Nov 2014 #15

Sadly, does it ultimately really matter? branford Nov 2014 #21

It matters as if someone else did it they could very well be looking at attempted murder cstanleytech Nov 2014 #22

I agree with your point entirely, branford Nov 2014 #24

Agree. Don't give 840high Nov 2014 #81

Demonizing irresponsible police ....yes, it is essential we do just that! FarPoint Nov 2014 #31

This "little punk" didn't design and market this so-called "toy". stone space Nov 2014 #57

Yeah Munificence Nov 2014 #61

If you follow the link you will see that Stonepounder Nov 2014 #3

See the sibling post I just made sir pball Nov 2014 #6

Ever seen an Airsoft? sir pball Nov 2014 #4

Yep, I own several of them Prophet 451 Nov 2014 #7

Well then, not to to be too blunt, but why should they "ask first"? sir pball Nov 2014 #9

I dunno Prophet 451 Nov 2014 #12

If the reports are true, it doesn't matter why he didn't properly comply. branford Nov 2014 #23

To cops in the UK, it probably does look like a "toy". stone space Nov 2014 #62

In the video, they shot him about 2 seconds upon arrival... TomCADem Nov 2014 #101

Having never been a boy--- Reformed Bully Nov 2014 #25

I'm unclear as to your point. branford Nov 2014 #42

To reply to entry #42 Reformed Bully Nov 2014 #53

Unfortunately, children being children has changed. branford Nov 2014 #54

That so-called "toy" should never have been marketed to kids. stone space Nov 2014 #66

"In society today..." Are you aware the murder rate is about *half* what it was 20-25 years ago? nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #86

About 20 years ago a couple of my step sons got into paint ball. Stonepounder Nov 2014 #68

cops were not wrong on this one. for a change. blackcrowflies Nov 2014 #5

The cops were wrong. They shot a kid. They seem too anxious to shoot. rhett o rick Nov 2014 #10

Yes but kids are shooting all the time Tumbulu Nov 2014 #16

Again, the murder rate in this country has *declined.* I don't know what people are panicking about. nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #87

Are you being sarcastic? Tumbulu Nov 2014 #91

Don't own guns, probably never would. I know school shootings have arguably increased. nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #92

Yes they shot a kid but were they wrong? If the orange markings cstanleytech Nov 2014 #19

Let us not forget the Walmart shooting in Dayton Ohio last August. FarPoint Nov 2014 #32

Again, reacting way too fast, and perhaps irrationally as well. That's the common denominator. n/t nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #88

there is no good reason to remove the orange marking rollin74 Nov 2014 #8

Insane behavior on the part of the person Tumbulu Nov 2014 #18

I disagree it wasnt insane if someone altered it rather it was criminal and if cstanleytech Nov 2014 #20

I did that when I was younger Veruca Salt Nov 2014 #95

I'm glad you didn't brandish yours on a playground Aerows Nov 2014 #103

Police are clearly not trained adequately. Maedhros Nov 2014 #13

here is an image of the airsoft gun involved in this incident rollin74 Nov 2014 #17

*crickets* Oktober Nov 2014 #29

If it were plain black, no markings sakabatou Nov 2014 #33

That looks real to me. ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #35

I'd be able to discern this was a child el scorcho Nov 2014 #79

The police version of events.... blackspade Nov 2014 #14

No one said the child "deserved" to be shot, branford Nov 2014 #26

Actually the very second post, someone implies it by calling the kid a punk. Rex Nov 2014 #37

That one poster hardly represents the perspective of almost everyone else here. nt branford Nov 2014 #43

See post #2.... blackspade Nov 2014 #58

My reaction, too. Always the police claim the person they shot reached for his waistband. tblue37 Nov 2014 #34

Or like the guy cops shot for not 'complying' because he was wearing blackspade Nov 2014 #59

They actually allow something this real looking to be sold to kids? LiberalLovinLug Nov 2014 #27

Yes you can... Oktober Nov 2014 #30

We have a real gun fetish problem in America. Rex Nov 2014 #38

I, too, was a child with many realistic toy guns in the 1970's and 80's. Good times. branford Nov 2014 #44

It wasn't unheard of in the 80's Action_Patrol Nov 2014 #75

As a kid in the 80s Blue_Tires Nov 2014 #76

A 12 year old is more than capable of engaging in serious violence, branford Nov 2014 #39

even with a BB gun? noiretextatique Nov 2014 #98

+1 nt LarryNM Nov 2014 #52

I think years ago the "solution" was just to take them out of toy stores Blue_Tires Nov 2014 #77

"We don't allow realistic looking "toys" like that to be sold" -wrong EX500rider Nov 2014 #83

my mistake LiberalLovinLug Nov 2014 #85

"Hands up, don't shoot" XemaSab Nov 2014 #28

Here kid- here's a toy gun that looks just like a real dangerous gun. Gwan out and Have Fun with it! NBachers Nov 2014 #36

Remember when kids could CC Nov 2014 #40

We also have a problem with kids killing other kids and adults that we didn't have not too long ago. branford Nov 2014 #46

Citation? blackspade Nov 2014 #60

And where are these kids killing adults and other kids getting their real CC Nov 2014 #70

So where's this supposed spike in the murder rate? nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #89

They look authentic. JohnnyRingo Nov 2014 #41

Huh? branford Nov 2014 #45

I don't want to appear to make excuses for the cops... JohnnyRingo Nov 2014 #69

When you live in a war zone, i.e. the States... NancyDL Nov 2014 #47

Survival tactics like what? branford Nov 2014 #50

Fuck, now kids can't play with TOYS anymore without getting shot by the pigs? Odin2005 Nov 2014 #48

Kids haven't been able to play with toys that look identical to real guns for decades. branford Nov 2014 #49

Threatening other kids and cops with a real looking gun XemaSab Nov 2014 #51

It's really not accurate to call them 'toys' when they are made and marketed as 'replicas'. Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #63

I set up a mini bb/pellet gun range UglyGreed Nov 2014 #55

These "toys" need to be banned. stone space Nov 2014 #56

This is not the first time. Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #64

Nor, unfortunately, will it be the last. (nt) stone space Nov 2014 #65

Of course sadly white folks can open carry *REAL* weapons around the terminal in PHX Blue_Tires Nov 2014 #73

+1 nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #90

in the parks, in the schools, in the churches, in the pools MisterP Nov 2014 #71

I'll bet the kid was black. nt valerief Nov 2014 #67

Was he black? Quantess Nov 2014 #72

of course he was black noiretextatique Nov 2014 #99

Peace Officer olddots Nov 2014 #74

once again, my view: if you shoot someone, it's your responsibility to get it right. unblock Nov 2014 #78

The boy is dead Man from Pickens Nov 2014 #80

You are part of the problem when you eat the pablum sunnystarr Nov 2014 #82

TV News Report sunnystarr Nov 2014 #84

The gun was a .45 replica Aerows Nov 2014 #93

He went for the toy. joshcryer Nov 2014 #94

And no one Aerows Nov 2014 #102

It's easy to see 1.5-2 seconds of "reaction time" is insane. joshcryer Nov 2014 #104

Such as a gunman on a playground Aerows Nov 2014 #105

Not drive up to the "subject" and slam on the brakes? joshcryer Nov 2014 #106

The report to the police was that it looked like an airsoft toy gun... TomCADem Nov 2014 #100

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2014 #96

Prior post? hlthe2b Nov 2014 #97