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In reply to the discussion: Obama announces immigration overhaul shielding 4 million from deportation [View all]pampango
(24,692 posts)43. "Low skilled migrant workers right now do not compete with American citizens in the job market ..."
So dishwashers or landscapers or retail workers or dry wallers working "off the books" do not compete with those who are citizens or legal immigrants? I believe you will find many posters here who strongly believe that such completion does exist and has had a large impact on American citizens and legal immigrants.
Even if one accepted your rather unique economic theory, should we conclude that it is best to leave this large group of people untouched? Their "off the books" world really does not affect those of us who work in the "on the books" world? It would seem to be an uncaring society that would accept a large caste of people who live 'off the books' with no protection from and limited involvement with the mainstream society.
Many poor and minority people also work off the books so that they can continue to collect some benefits and thus have a minimal existence.
Which would imply that "low skilled migrant workers" and "many poor and minority people" all work "off the books" right now. Does that not mean that they compete with each other for "off the books" jobs? Or are there certain "off the books" jobs for 'migrant workers' and others for 'poor and minority Americans' so that they do not compete with each other?
If providing people here illegally with some measure of legalization so they can participate in society more fully and with less fear is not a liberal policy, what alternative do you propose that is more liberal?
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Obama announces immigration overhaul shielding 4 million from deportation [View all]
ucrdem
Nov 2014
OP
except these people are already in the labor pool. got any more dumb talking points? nt
geek tragedy
Nov 2014
#16
Some downthread call them the enemy who should be deported. Zero sum logic per Rush.
freshwest
Nov 2014
#30
Slavery drove down the wages of freedmen, too. Why be for abolishing slavery then as a moral wrong,
freshwest
Nov 2014
#33
Is that why wages were so much lower in the 1960's than in the 1930's? There was an increase of 50%
pampango
Nov 2014
#34
1) that's not how things work; 2) you're advocating keeping them as slaves nt
geek tragedy
Nov 2014
#17
"Low skilled migrant workers right now do not compete with American citizens in the job market ..."
pampango
Nov 2014
#43
You posted that 'low skilled immigrants' are already competing with 'poor and minority people'.
pampango
Nov 2014
#45
AFL-CIO: our broken immigration system has allowed employers to drive down wages and working
pampango
Nov 2014
#35
I don't think so. They decrease wages for all when they work under the table at lower wages.
freshwest
Nov 2014
#8
You're welcome and thanks for the thread. I personally saw the game being played out by employers in
freshwest
Nov 2014
#22
The rational thing for site admins would be to deport xenophobic wingnuts from DU nt
geek tragedy
Nov 2014
#19
Who just love Putin but always have some problem with Pres Obama.. It's puzzling :)
Cha
Nov 2014
#24
And ratcheting up the personal attacks, with no links, because they'd be RW ones.
freshwest
Nov 2014
#42
A larger percentage of DUers sounded like you back when Bush tried to do immigration reform.
Comrade Grumpy
Nov 2014
#21