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Diclotican

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120. freshwest
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 03:42 PM
Apr 2012

freshwest

I don't know about cosmic cycles, but I do know what could happened, with the ones who doesn't learn from history. And stay vigilant when the same thing happened again.... And to be honest, most americans have no clue what could become them, if anything like the nazis ts was to ever rise their ugly head in the US... It was BAD in Europe under the nazi rule in Germany - and the occupation of most of Europe.. Until Pearl Harbor in 1941, President FDR had to go a thin like between been able to help UK and Churchill, and appease the many who wanted US to stay out of "an europe ran war we doesn't have any business going into".. And FDR had to play the game of being natural - but helping UK as best as he was able to do.... And to be honest, if it was not for the fact that Japan attacked Hawaii, I am afraid that UK, and most of EUROPE would have been under the sway of Hitler for a long time... UK was by November/December 1941 on the verge of suing for peace... The attack by Japan, and the answer from Germany and Hitler, why gave US the war (the speech was by experts on the issue properly the best oratorical speech Hitler ever was able to give the german people ever) Was one big vitamin pill for the UK, and for most of the occupied Europeans... When US got into the war, it was clearly Hitler was not able to win the war....

The great depressions in the 1930s was a horrible time, where many found them selfs in need of something to blame for their own misfortunes.. Many claimed it to be the jews - others claimed it to be other groups... In germany, as in Italy and in many other nations in Europe, it ended in fascism in one way or another... In US it thankfully doesn't ended in fascism, even tho it was a short wile, after FDR was elected president in 1933, that many US officers up to the rank of generals, wanted to make a coupe against the legal president - to give the US a more fascism like ideology... Thankfully to some decent, hardworking american officers, who decided to be on the right side of history, this coup never happened. Even tho the whole case was under the rug for more than 60 year after the facts... I think Roosevelt possible was afraid of what else could happened, if he wanted to make a stand against it, early in the 1930s.. Event ho he in the 1940 did more than anyone else in the US, to fight against the fascism in Europe or elsewhere.. But in the 1930s, Roosevelt had enough on his plate to repair, and the whole affair with the officers who wanted to make coup against the president never got the attention it should have been given....

You are also right in that some get a lot of money, on the back of the money, even under the deep depression.. Even tho many was hurt by the depression, some always came up on the top, even before world war two, who really got the train going - long after the war...

But the fact is, that US, doesn't have any Franklin D. Roosevelt in office now.. Your current president Obama, for all his virtues is just one man against a big ugly machine that doesn't want anything less than to squish him to small pieces if they could do it.. The Neo-liberal ideology who since Reagan have been given foot and hand in the US governance is the biggest treat to the same Democracy they claim to fight for... What they want, is a country ruled by the rich, for the rich and dam the rest.. After more or less managed to destroy the trade unions in the 1970s and 1980s, and castrate everyone who is against the ideology of the neo-liberalistic ideology I am not sure what to do, to win that war... But I do believe, that neo-liberal ideology is a danger to the world - as nazism was it before ..

The attack against disabled and poor is nothing new in the world.. It looks like disability is something that "healthy ones" can mock about, even when they might one day find them self in the same boat so to say. I am on disability myself - and I have found that even in my own country (who most americans I have known here on DU looks to as more or less heaven ) some says that people with disability should get out working instead of living on the public dime... Well I have tried to get out in work for the last 2-3 years - and the employment office have more or less said "sorry, you are on disability and we doesn't want to take your case, as it Will be a long way to get you out in a job".... So yeah I know what it means, to be told "why are you not out working, you looks fine".. Yeah, they should have my arthritis, my depression and so one.... I would work, if I was able to.... But I'm not;/

The Bush family, specially the old Prescott Bush himself is a history of treason.. If it was one way of justice in the world, Prescott Bush should have been arrested, convicted, and put in a prison cell for the rest of his natural life for the treason against US.. Not just because he was bankrolling the nazi st who wanted to trow out Roosevelt in the 1930s.. But also for the fact, that he was doing business with the Nazi-Regime long after war was declared upon US in 1941...

The specially of hate radio is another specially for the extreme right in the US i would presume... Most of them would never been able, or given permission to even talk on most european channels, as most european nations still have a "fairness doctrine" intact in the airwaves.. I have had the misfortune of hearing some of the hate-radio by internet looking for some radios from US.. And i am pretty scared about the tone against minorities and everyone else who might be attacked that day.... That type of media would never be allowed on this side of the pond... We had that in the 1930s, when Dr Gobbles was making a scene for it all... Most of Europe, learned the hard way, what could happend if "hate" radio ever make it to the public again...

What we all need, is the americans to wake up and smell the shit as it is.. And then work against it to make US what it once was - a prosperius, rich country who the rest of the world was admiring and wanted to be like... The symbols of US, like the Coca-Cola and Mickey Mouse was one of the first symbols to really make it big in eastern Europe, after the wall was going down... That symbols could again mean something for most of us... As it once did (even tho Cola is maybe not the most healty ideal to live by )

Sometimes I miss the time when I admired US for all its virtues, and for all the god things she did for the world.. The last decade of so, have been a great disapointed for me.... US is not what I once belived it to be...

Diclotican

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Name one, clown. SemperEadem Apr 2012 #1
+1 GrantDem Apr 2012 #18
CONGRESSIONAL RUBBER ROOM madashelltoo Apr 2012 #32
Post removed Post removed Apr 2012 #66
DSA is Democratic Socialists of America... cyberswede Apr 2012 #68
And they certainly are not communists. TBF Apr 2012 #131
The Socialist Party of America ceased to exist under that name in the early 1970s slackmaster Apr 2012 #69
LOL! What a total fail by that poster SemperEadem Apr 2012 #128
This lunatic is my congressman jaded_old_cynic Apr 2012 #75
He must have had a lot of help goclark Apr 2012 #152
West reminds me of that idiot Senator husband of Angela Lansbury catbyte Apr 2012 #109
The "Heinz 57" Communists kentauros Apr 2012 #145
The real question - will Mitt Romney denounce him, or embrace him like he did Birther king Trump? Adenoid_Hynkel Apr 2012 #111
"I have here in my hand a list of " zbdent Apr 2012 #2
Beat me to it Botany Apr 2012 #4
22nd, BUT....... Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2012 #60
That is EXACTLY the scene that flashed to mind Jackpine Radical Apr 2012 #102
Thought of the same thing leftynyc Apr 2012 #8
I've heard Allen West likes to do it with goats bigworld Apr 2012 #3
Your saying it doesn't but my photos do saras Apr 2012 #38
Tail Gunner Joe McCarthy has been dead for 55 years now Cirque du So-What Apr 2012 #5
I have a piece of "the wall" on my mantel Botany Apr 2012 #26
I was there!!! FourScore Apr 2012 #42
Me too! Doc Holliday Apr 2012 #108
So was my stepdad. Odin2005 Apr 2012 #135
Who is he anyway, McCarthy's ghost? LeftishBrit Apr 2012 #6
Having nothing of substance to say, the GOP has reduced itself to adolescent gossip. qb Apr 2012 #7
This is much worse than gossip. It's a return to the McCarthyism of the '50's, pnwmom Apr 2012 #104
They're really playing the oldies, aren't they? Sanity Claws Apr 2012 #9
Everything is reruns these days. And i do mean everything JHB Apr 2012 #34
That is amazing toon dixiegrrrrl Apr 2012 #71
Zombie Joe McCarthy. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2012 #10
There Never were MysticLynx Apr 2012 #52
"....the last true democracy was in Greece sometime before the fifth century ..." sarge43 Apr 2012 #73
I may have the dates MysticLynx Apr 2012 #94
It did not include women -- ever. sarge43 Apr 2012 #100
So just curious MysticLynx Apr 2012 #138
No sarge43 Apr 2012 #140
Thank You MysticLynx Apr 2012 #153
The U.S. Is A Militarized Oligarchy Yavin4 Apr 2012 #151
The spectre of commie rats in the 21st Century Zambero Apr 2012 #88
West needs to run for President this year on the Freeper ticket emulatorloo Apr 2012 #11
I heard Allen West likes to screw small animals. n/t Lil Missy Apr 2012 #12
Typical NYC Lib Diclotican Apr 2012 #13
I'll go with reply #5 Typical NYC Lib Apr 2012 #30
According to people who believe in 'cosmic cycles' we will undergo all they did in the 1930's again. freshwest Apr 2012 #47
freshwest Diclotican Apr 2012 #120
What are they drinking on the other side of the aisle? Swede Atlanta Apr 2012 #14
I suppose they're "taking their orders straight from the Kremlin" too? JHB Apr 2012 #15
Wow! Uncle Ruckus just can't come up with anything original, can he? n/t backscatter712 Apr 2012 #16
I am so tired of hearing from the lunatic fringe. nt avebury Apr 2012 #17
The only response is to ask; edhopper Apr 2012 #19
+1 nt eppur_se_muova Apr 2012 #130
He's so Fifties. Bonhomme Richard Apr 2012 #20
What a fucking pig! pscot Apr 2012 #21
I 'Know' Allen West is a total asshole. Octafish Apr 2012 #22
I've heard that Allen West is a repugnant fucking moron with shit for brains. Grown2Hate Apr 2012 #23
HAHAHA Rainngirl Apr 2012 #103
I've heard that George Bush (R) sat on his ass and did nothing on 9/11 Gibby Apr 2012 #24
This photo always brings to mind a new caption: LuckyLib Apr 2012 #44
No surprise if Romney thinks Russia is "Enemy #1" FailureToCommunicate Apr 2012 #25
It's getting to the point there has to be EC Apr 2012 #27
Unfortunately, he's immune . . . caseymoz Apr 2012 #154
I wish. nt TBF Apr 2012 #28
I heard West is a war-criminal and coward who's afraid to run for re-election in his own district Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2012 #29
Fucking nutball. Hissyspit Apr 2012 #31
Heeeeey... watch yo mouth (fingers)! Some of us here are trying! Lost-in-FL Apr 2012 #129
Sarah "nitwit" Palin says: PearliePoo2 Apr 2012 #33
game changer? marshall gaines Apr 2012 #53
And I've heard from dozens that Rep. Allen West raped and murdered a girl in 1990... DRoseDARs Apr 2012 #35
I HEARD That Allen West Heard That Glenn Beck Heard That West Raped and Murdered A Girl In 1990... Hissyspit Apr 2012 #40
I heard Allen West raped Glenn Beck and murdered.. hold on..or was it Glen Beck murdered Allen West? Swagman Apr 2012 #54
1991. Or maybe it was 1981. Or maybe it was Adam West. Someone I know heard it was sheep. saras Apr 2012 #41
Instead, we have many savvy people who can handle satire and they have a bowl of mixed nuts. DRoseDARs Apr 2012 #59
What I've heard ewagner Apr 2012 #36
Living here, Fuddnik Apr 2012 #76
Party like its 1959. Daniel537 Apr 2012 #37
We pay this guy's salary. HughBeaumont Apr 2012 #39
That IS disturbing! FailureToCommunicate Apr 2012 #118
This is like telling someone you're a vegetarian, Jamaal510 Apr 2012 #43
Florida-Florida-Florida Chipper Chat Apr 2012 #45
He is SO Rmoney VP material. Please, Mittens? Please!? nt onehandle Apr 2012 #46
that fuck*er should be sued /nt still_one Apr 2012 #48
In the Manchurian Candidate Mendocino Apr 2012 #49
again???????? marshall gaines Apr 2012 #50
I don't think these guys can function without a fear of the REDS. harun Apr 2012 #89
Republicans? But..... Typical NYC Lib Apr 2012 #125
If only... DURHAM D Apr 2012 #51
A gopper Iliyah Apr 2012 #55
Well then, maybe they could start voting like commies n2doc Apr 2012 #56
"As many as 80...." mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2012 #57
I've heard that Allen West rapes and murders children Tom Ripley Apr 2012 #58
Didn't he mean to say there are 57? cyberswede Apr 2012 #61
"There will be no covering up, sir!! No covering up!!" Blue_Tires Apr 2012 #82
The 50's called. They want their McCarthyism back meow2u3 Apr 2012 #62
Given the fact that our foreign-born, Muslim President is a Socialist, this seems only logical RufusTFirefly Apr 2012 #63
Bwaaahaaahaaahaaa. The old ways are best. nt bemildred Apr 2012 #64
And Ive heard Allen West is a buffoon. nt HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #65
That doesn't even compare to the number of Republicans who groovedaddy Apr 2012 #67
And he has a list right there in his coat pocket........ yellowcanine Apr 2012 #70
i heard allen west is a pathetic opportunist noiretextatique Apr 2012 #72
Me too - I guess the story is true! polichick Apr 2012 #74
allen..we trade with COMMUNIST CHINA madrchsod Apr 2012 #77
I wish. rug Apr 2012 #78
I've heard that dozens of Republicans in the House are Tories. drm604 Apr 2012 #79
That's really a very rational explanation. Tories WOULD tend to perceive Socialists everywhere. nt patrice Apr 2012 #83
Actually I meant Tories in the sense of revolutionary war Royalists. drm604 Apr 2012 #87
I know what a Tory is. Do you think royalists might be a bit paranoid about Communism/Socialism? patrice Apr 2012 #107
West has a guilty conscience. patrice Apr 2012 #80
Will Sen. McCarthy please pick up the white courtesy phone? n/t ColesCountyDem Apr 2012 #81
I've heard that Allen West is a Peeping Tom Zambero Apr 2012 #84
We've heard that 164 of the House GOP are pedophiles... Fresh_Start Apr 2012 #85
Mr. West the 1950s are calling. former9thward Apr 2012 #86
Mr. West the 1950s are calling. AlbertCat Apr 2012 #91
Red-baiting? FlyByNight Apr 2012 #90
And I've 'heard' allen west fucks goats. calimary Apr 2012 #92
Ohhhh... it's 80 members of the "Democrat" party! AlbertCat Apr 2012 #93
i have heard that allen west is cindyperry2010 Apr 2012 #95
shouldn't he be reprimanded for saying that. n/t. okieinpain Apr 2012 #96
This coming from a representative of the Red Party. mwooldri Apr 2012 #97
Then Allen West needs is ears checked blackspade Apr 2012 #98
too many blows to the head Angry Dragon Apr 2012 #99
Dear Urkel Cheap_Trick Apr 2012 #101
Post removed Post removed Apr 2012 #105
Nice to know you can be completely insane CanonRay Apr 2012 #106
And so what if they are? RevStPatrick Apr 2012 #110
Joe McCarthy Lives! McCamy Taylor Apr 2012 #112
Did he hold up his briefcase? Capt. Obvious Apr 2012 #113
I know 100,000 people who think Allen West is an asshole Bombero1956 Apr 2012 #114
I know that 100% of the US Congressmen from FL-22 are complete assholes. kcass1954 Apr 2012 #115
Don't laugh. THis is crazy. West needs to be dealt with. savalez Apr 2012 #116
He's dealing with "it" himself Typical NYC Lib Apr 2012 #124
If only, then perhaps we wouldn't be passing so many re-packaged GOP laws. Dragonfli Apr 2012 #117
Joe McCarthy called from hell. bikebloke Apr 2012 #119
got it marshall gaines Apr 2012 #121
Barney Frank: 'Not Even Joe McCarthy Would Have Said Anything So Stupid' Typical NYC Lib Apr 2012 #122
Well you know, Alan, I've heard Berlin Expat Apr 2012 #123
I've heard that West is advocating a name change from the Republican Party to the Fascist Party. truthisfreedom Apr 2012 #126
Nah Typical NYC Lib Apr 2012 #139
somebody already said what I was going to say alarimer Apr 2012 #127
Funny, I heard a guy named West was Article 15ed and forced to Retire from the military.. Katashi_itto Apr 2012 #132
What year is this? Iris Apr 2012 #133
Yeah Alan? Well I heard you are a dung heap! muntrv Apr 2012 #134
Just what was in that TEA at that PARTY? timesup Apr 2012 #136
I've heard that every Republican is a Nazi who worships Hitler! Odin2005 Apr 2012 #137
I heard that too. patrice Apr 2012 #142
What a morAn. nt Lucky Luciano Apr 2012 #141
This is the freak Sarah Palin endorsed for Republican VP spiderpig Apr 2012 #143
I've heard that every House Republican secretly met together Jamaal510 Apr 2012 #144
The most curious irony of West's accusations. AdHocSolver Apr 2012 #146
"I've heard Alan West sleeps with his mother".... Hulk Apr 2012 #147
This man is crazed. Turbineguy Apr 2012 #148
I heard Alan West is an asshole!!! center rising Apr 2012 #149
I've heard all House Republicans are members of the The American Nazi Party! santamargarita Apr 2012 #150
Allen West has cracked his bell. caseymoz Apr 2012 #155
I can't say I like opinions being hidden by a jury tru Apr 2012 #156
Allen left out the part where he says Skip_In_Boulder Apr 2012 #157
I'm African American goclark Apr 2012 #158
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