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Fred Sanders

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52. I read the comment section, there is an excellent one there, which reads, in part:
Tue Dec 2, 2014, 12:54 PM
Dec 2014

"My son is in the Canadian Military. He is also an atheist. I had never considered that that fact would matter. After all, isn’t the purpose of the Military, at least ostensibly, to protect liberty and doesn’t that include freedom from as well as freedom of religion? One would think that if anyone should enjoy these freedoms, it would be the men and women who are willing to risk their lives for little pay to protect them. So when I saw this book on Netgalley, I thought it might give me some insight even though it is about the US Military.

Author Bonnie Weinstein and her husband Michael founded the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF) in 2005 and since then, the Foundation has been nominated six times for the Nobel Peace Prize. However, as Ms Weinstein writes

‘…it has taken an extreme amount of intestinal fortitude to stay the course. We fight against those who, at worse, seem hell-bent on dismantling our Constitution, and at best, seem to have little idea of what they are talking about.’

The book, itself, is a very quick read divided between letters from some of the people who object to the Foundation and a list of some of the important successes it has achieved.

The letters are divided into categories and go from bad to worse . Many of the writers seem to aim their vitriol at Jewish people in general, believing, based solely on their name, that somehow the Weinsteins are motivated by a Jewish anti-Christian bias despite the work of the MRFF in aid of soldiers of all faiths or none including Muslims, atheists, and both Protestants and Catholics who do not share the same beliefs as the far right Christians and do not enjoy being a captive audience to the proselytizing of both fellow enlisted men and officers. The anti-semitism, Islamaphobia, racism, and gay bashing of these letters are, to say the least, shocking especially as it is all coming from self-avowed Christians.

"The worst letters are from the far right Christians who believe that the United States is a Christian nation and that the purpose of the Military is to bring their (ie far-right Dominionist) Christian values to the ‘lost’ nations and peoples of the world even at the end of a gun. If these letters are examples of how they want the world to look, it is truly a terrifying place. Here is an excerpt from one of the nicer and better written letters and, trust me, I am not being sarcastic when I say that:

‘…real Americans are lovers of Jesus Christ…Real Americans are not jews and real Americans know how the muslums have to be eliminated and real Americans know that the faggots deserve no safe and respect and especially not in the army of America.’

Apparently, Real Americans also won’t be tied to the tyranny of spell check or rules of grammar. By the time I finished reading these letters, I literally felt ill – I wanted to take a shower and wash my eyes and brain out. I found myself thinking (and hoping) that the writers of these letters must suffer from a mental illness and that they make up only a tiny fraction of the American population. Nothing, judging from these letters, is too vile, too beyond the pale in the fight to protect the rights of these so-called Christians to force their brand onto those who don’t share their beliefs."

Thank you.

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No one could have predicted that. Scuba Dec 2014 #1
Now it's official. We had a DUer insinuate that since Austin Kingofalldems Dec 2014 #3
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There were a whole lot of folks on twitter pimping that, too.. Blue_Tires Dec 2014 #29
Bad link? Nothing in that thread about Austin or McQuilliams (nt) muriel_volestrangler Dec 2014 #37
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Are you calling el_bryanto a troll? muriel_volestrangler Dec 2014 #40
I didn't call anyone a troll. I merely pointed out that trolls exist here and elsewhere. Scuba Dec 2014 #41
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OK, I can see why you came to that conclusion. It was my intent to link to the OP not El Bryant's .. Scuba Dec 2014 #43
holy shit that is HUGH! snooper2 Dec 2014 #56
Yikes! There are more of them..... Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #2
I wonder if the local paper will be as thorough in investigating this cult as they Baitball Blogger Dec 2014 #6
Or the... BronxBoy Dec 2014 #10
Why, what has any member done? Or are you just generally frightened of scary black folk? Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #31
Dude.... BronxBoy Dec 2014 #36
Me too! JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #39
Sorry about that, but some would agree with the non sarcastic version. Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #44
No worries... BronxBoy Dec 2014 #51
KKK under another name mb999 Dec 2014 #30
A Christian hate group......... wandy Dec 2014 #5
“If you look at what he did, he terrorized a city, he’s just an American terrorist..." herding cats Dec 2014 #7
So, first lone wolf attack is not by ISIS, but by Christian religious hate group? Isn't that special? Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #32
Well, I wouldn't exactly say it was the first attack by a RW Christian extremist. herding cats Dec 2014 #49
I read the comment section, there is an excellent one there, which reads, in part: Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #52
Calling the Christian Identity types "Christians" seems like an insult to Christianity starroute Dec 2014 #8
Ooh, god made him one smart superior guy... Dont call me Shirley Dec 2014 #14
This does not surprise me Gothmog Dec 2014 #9
He looked real cute in that hat Kennah Dec 2014 #11
the hat is weird enough....WTF is going on with tha shir? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #27
Adorable cap sleeves! Coventina Dec 2014 #45
Yet police continue to view TRoN33 Dec 2014 #12
Ammosexual IrishEyes Dec 2014 #26
Christian Hate Group? That would in truth read Anti-Christian Hate Group. Dont call me Shirley Dec 2014 #13
Agreed. ISIS would then be an anti-Islamic hate group....I hope folks get that. Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #33
What Police Dept. did he work for? easychoice Dec 2014 #15
Christian Hate Group is an oxymoron. Or maybe just morons. TNNurse Dec 2014 #16
"Let me die" secondvariety Dec 2014 #17
Christian hate group. blkmusclmachine Dec 2014 #18
Those are emphatically NOT Christians VA_Jill Dec 2014 #19
Uh, Islamists are Muslims....there is no such word as "Christianists". My spellchecker insists. Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #34
Sure they are...They are probably literally following their holy book unlike most people snooper2 Dec 2014 #46
Who are you to judge? LannyDeVaney Dec 2014 #55
christian hate group???? heaven05 Dec 2014 #20
after reading the replies heaven05 Dec 2014 #21
ah, the Bible... Enrique Dec 2014 #22
Thanks. Kingofalldems Dec 2014 #23
Own it, Wingers! AnnieBW Dec 2014 #24
Cue the excuses... ANewEra Dec 2014 #25
No doubt he acted alone, nothing to look at or see here, move along everyone Scootaloo Dec 2014 #28
Christ Almighty vs Allah Ackbar seveneyes Dec 2014 #35
NOTE: this is a "Homegrown American extremist..." After all the word "Terrorist" is ONLY used for diabeticman Dec 2014 #47
The police chief in Austin called him a terrorist. There's a mention of it in the article above. herding cats Dec 2014 #53
And that who I was ranting about the media as well but it said "who austin POLICE are CALLING diabeticman Dec 2014 #54
This one lays soundly at the feet of our wimpy media herding cats Dec 2014 #57
But we can't call them terrorists, or the Republicans throw a hissy fit. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #48
Has Limbaugh called him a 'leftist' yet? louis-t Dec 2014 #50
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