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(15,445 posts) Thu Apr 12, 2012, 10:03 AM Apr 2012

German incest couple lose European Court case [View all]

Source: BBC News

A brother and sister from Germany who had an incestuous relationship, arguing they had the right to a family life, have lost their European court case.

Patrick Stuebing and Susan Karolewski had four children together, two of whom are described as disabled.
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Stuebing, who was convicted of incest and spent three years in prison, did not meet his natural sister until he tracked down his family as an adult.

He had been adopted as a child and only made contact with his natural relatives in his 20s.

Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17690997

Some more background on this very controversial case of European Human Rights Law:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6424937.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6379785.stm

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German incest couple lose European Court case [View all] Surya Gayatri Apr 2012 OP

Once one acknowledges the incredible "ICK" factor... hlthe2b Apr 2012 #1

I think you're right, hlthe2b...with modern reproductive Surya Gayatri Apr 2012 #3

This is especially true when you hear about the founder of a sperm bank possibly Arkansas Granny Apr 2012 #10

Yes, AG, the chances will increase exponentially for 600 children Surya Gayatri Apr 2012 #12

True. And then there's the adoption aspect. thesquanderer Apr 2012 #4

As is so often the case, it's all in the intent... Surya Gayatri Apr 2012 #6

"Criminal intent" is necessary for most criminal prosecutions.. pipoman Apr 2012 #58

It's the reproduction that bothers me. David__77 Apr 2012 #2

True, that's where the real "ick" factor comes in... Surya Gayatri Apr 2012 #5

It's not necessarily a hazard for first cousins to have children together csziggy Apr 2012 #40

But, with each succeeding generation of consanguinity, Surya Gayatri Apr 2012 #53

Yes, when it is continued for generations, it concentrates genetics defects csziggy Apr 2012 #55

Ignoring the "Ick" factor most people have, what if two siblings agreed to be sterilized so they Pachamama Apr 2012 #7

Yes, when the biological/genetic hazard is no longer an issue, what's left? Surya Gayatri Apr 2012 #9

Interesting point. If it doesn't hurt anyone else, I suppose Proles Apr 2012 #13

The sister is 8 years younger than Surya Gayatri Apr 2012 #19

Change a few words, and you could be talking MicaelS Apr 2012 #20

Marriage equality and incest are not the same thing obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #23

Why are they not the same thing? MicaelS Apr 2012 #25

The incest taboo is as old as humanity Surya Gayatri Apr 2012 #26

But in some cultures, it was expected that the ruling class hedgehog Apr 2012 #47

It'd still be exceedingly icky. 2ndAmForComputers Apr 2012 #21

That reminds me of a common ethical "what if" question. Odin2005 Apr 2012 #29

A case of genetic sexual attraction marshall Apr 2012 #8

A brother and sister from Germany who had an incestuous relationship, AlbertCat Apr 2012 #11

Hum, you may be right, but the theme Surya Gayatri Apr 2012 #15

And the Egyptians beat the Greek. 2ndAmForComputers Apr 2012 #24

I'm less familiar with Egyptian mythology. Was the incest taboo Surya Gayatri Apr 2012 #27

wasn't it a rule that Pharaohs married their sisters. nt broiles Apr 2012 #38

That's what I recall, but wasn't incest taboo in Surya Gayatri Apr 2012 #39

Not the first time adopted siblings, married natural siblings.,.... happyslug Apr 2012 #14

Yes, I read in another article that the Surya Gayatri Apr 2012 #16

Are they full siblings or half-siblings? I ask because there may be some serious emotional... Tikki Apr 2012 #17

Full siblings, I think, at least it was implied Surya Gayatri Apr 2012 #22

They were not raised together marshall Apr 2012 #45

German Incest Couple is a good band name Tom Ripley Apr 2012 #18

I remember reading gvstn Apr 2012 #28

I believe that data come from Israeli Kibbutzim. Odin2005 Apr 2012 #31

Very interesting anecdotal evidence for Surya Gayatri Apr 2012 #33

It's the children aspect that bothers me, not the incest itself. Odin2005 Apr 2012 #30

+1! n/t Surya Gayatri Apr 2012 #32

Agree totally, and to a degree, so did the European court... Surya Gayatri Apr 2012 #34

That is a slippery slope SATIRical Apr 2012 #37

yeah, they should have adopted or something... Blue_Tires Apr 2012 #46

Just had to say, about the incest taboo...for something that's taboo it sure has occurred a lot. raccoon Apr 2012 #35

Homicide and suicide are fairly universal Surya Gayatri Apr 2012 #36

Yes but ... Clouseau2 Apr 2012 #41

Incorrect about the 50% griether Apr 2012 #42

Much higher than that Clouseau2 Apr 2012 #43

I've been told 25%-35% is the expected rate for sibling-sibling or parent-child incest Lone_Star_Dem Apr 2012 #44

Post removed Post removed Apr 2012 #48

This appears to be a flat out lie? DURHAM D Apr 2012 #49

Actual Decision happyslug Apr 2012 #50

Really interesting, happy. This is the first Surya Gayatri Apr 2012 #51

I generally just make a reference to the web site, but the decsion was "Short" for a Court Decsion happyslug Apr 2012 #59

It's called Genetic Sexual Attraction. FedUpWithIt All Apr 2012 #52

Thanks for bringing my attention to this, FedUp... Surya Gayatri Apr 2012 #54

Amazing. Never heard of it. I was thinking they needed help rather than jail time. truthisfreedom Apr 2012 #57

I've always found it odd how so many Christians have a problem with incest NickB79 Apr 2012 #56

The Lannisters? Alexander Apr 2012 #60