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123. So then lowering yourself to the level or a killer

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 07:50 AM

Dec 2014

justifies killing? Sorry, I don't buy that logic.
I do not believe that ANY of the wars that we have fought in in my lifetime has accomplished anything, but created more violence and more terrorists, and I am nearly 60.
The real reason why we fight wars is to protect corporations and their interests, after all, the US IS the world's police force. Paid for, not by the corporations who benefit from the actions, but by WE THE PEOPLE. I do not believe that war is a justified means for reconciliation. War is obsolete on such a small planet. The Dalai Lama agrees with me on this. Here's a link, sot that you can see for yourself: http://vtdigger.org/2012/10/14/dalai-lama-the-concept-of-war-is-outdated/
And I really do not see how killing anyone protects society. I believe that it deteriorates society.

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Police shoot man who stabbed student in synagogue [View all] Omaha Steve Dec 2014 OP

An example of whats a 'good shoot" for a change. 7962 Dec 2014 #1

Obvious threat? Before the cops arrived, yes. Hoppy Dec 2014 #5

This individual was actually armed. And wasn't afraid to use his knife, obviously. LisaL Dec 2014 #13

"No shoot to wound?" Unfortunately that is just not realistic. yellowcanine Dec 2014 #18

There is no "shoot to wound" anywhere. branford Dec 2014 #19

No such thing as "shoot to wound" GOLGO 13 Dec 2014 #48

Nope. This was perfectly ok. yeoman6987 Dec 2014 #76

Lets try again. The guy had a knife. That means his range of harm Hoppy Dec 2014 #78

Because trick shots like that outside of movies are completely unrealistic. Posteritatis Dec 2014 #81

You've been watching too many Hollywood movies, GGJohn Dec 2014 #90

Oh please. 7962 Dec 2014 #83

There's no such thing as shoot to wound. chrisa Dec 2014 #128

sigh Snow Leopard Dec 2014 #170

Yeah, good shoot and good riddance. nt geek tragedy Dec 2014 #2

Another "shoot to kill" killing RoccoR5955 Dec 2014 #3

Police have never shot to disarm except in movies. geek tragedy Dec 2014 #4

Not always in movies. skamaria Dec 2014 #71

The Mike Plumb shot was, quite literally, the exception that proves the rule. branford Dec 2014 #79

Sorry, RoccoR5955 Dec 2014 #162

Really, that's your criticism? branford Dec 2014 #165

Because shooting to wound or disarm... brendan120678 Dec 2014 #14

I don't know how true that is RoccoR5955 Dec 2014 #23

Yes, our cops are trigger happy. Jackpine Radical Dec 2014 #27

justified in this case samsingh Dec 2014 #25

I'm sorry but... RoccoR5955 Dec 2014 #63

Wow. That is a really naive statement. ManiacJoe Dec 2014 #64

So it's okay for you to take another person's life RoccoR5955 Dec 2014 #65

Yes, in some circumstances it is OK for me to take the life of another. ManiacJoe Dec 2014 #66

And if your lethal actions RoccoR5955 Dec 2014 #67

No, a revenge killing is never justified. ManiacJoe Dec 2014 #68

You just don't get it. n/t RoccoR5955 Dec 2014 #69

Or you did not explain your thoughts well. ManiacJoe Dec 2014 #70

So, according to you.. harrose Dec 2014 #73

There is only one option RoccoR5955 Dec 2014 #75

Feel free to give examples of other options. ManiacJoe Dec 2014 #77

I lack specific details of the entire situation. n/t RoccoR5955 Dec 2014 #105

If you lack specific details of the entire situation, GGJohn Dec 2014 #107

For that fact alone. RoccoR5955 Dec 2014 #112

If that's the way you feel, then that's your right, I disagree with it, but I do respect your GGJohn Dec 2014 #120

I'm asking in the hypothetical harrose Dec 2014 #80

You are not thinking outside of the box. RoccoR5955 Dec 2014 #104

Sometimes there just isn't any other way to stop someone intent on complete destruction. GGJohn Dec 2014 #106

Can you RoccoR5955 Dec 2014 #109

Pol Pot, Adolph Hitler, Osama Bin Laden. GGJohn Dec 2014 #111

Then you are just as bad as those who you mention. RoccoR5955 Dec 2014 #115

I've committed genocide? When did I do that? GGJohn Dec 2014 #118

No, sometimes there's not. harrose Dec 2014 #108

Then you are not thinking on your feet. RoccoR5955 Dec 2014 #110

I haven't been in a situation that the other poster describes, GGJohn Dec 2014 #114

Well then there must have been a good reason RoccoR5955 Dec 2014 #116

My Avatar would be your first clue. GGJohn Dec 2014 #119

Sorry, but apparently he HAS no clue. 7962 Dec 2014 #136

I was under the impression that everyone knew what the Vietnam Service Ribbon looked like. GGJohn Dec 2014 #137

Wow!! I'm sure you have some stories. A friend's dad flew F-4s there 7962 Dec 2014 #140

AF Pararescue? GGJohn Dec 2014 #141

I do not know RoccoR5955 Dec 2014 #164

Thank you for trying to bring us home, I deeply respect those that protested the war. GGJohn Dec 2014 #167

You really can't see this happening? harrose Dec 2014 #117

When an armed individual means you harm FrodosPet Dec 2014 #134

With all due respect, christx30 Dec 2014 #144

So THIS didnt happen? Just 2 days ago? 7962 Dec 2014 #152

If someone is trying to stab me, christx30 Dec 2014 #166

So you'd just let someone kill you rather than kill them? Really? 7962 Dec 2014 #84

I live by myself. RoccoR5955 Dec 2014 #89

"I do not believe that people are killed for no apparent reason." Holy crap. 7962 Dec 2014 #97

Not true. RoccoR5955 Dec 2014 #100

If you did, you'd see numerous murders of innocent people for no reason. 7962 Dec 2014 #102

Yep RoccoR5955 Dec 2014 #130

You're right. We should have never opposed Hitler. Its our fault. 7962 Dec 2014 #135

Look RoccoR5955 Dec 2014 #138

Sad response. You dont lose an argument by pointing out a fact that is on topic. 7962 Dec 2014 #139

How the hell is RoccoR5955 Dec 2014 #142

So start an OP with a poll. "Is killing someone EVER justified?" 7962 Dec 2014 #150

You don't even believe in self defense ? treestar Dec 2014 #161

Nope. RoccoR5955 Dec 2014 #163

So then answer this one question? RoccoR5955 Dec 2014 #95

What part of he was attempting to harm or kill the police also do you not understand? GGJohn Dec 2014 #98

You didn't answer my question. n/t RoccoR5955 Dec 2014 #99

Because they're continuing to try to kill others. GGJohn Dec 2014 #101

And you didn't answer my question (post 80) harrose Dec 2014 #103

This guy wasn't killed to show that kiling is wrong. christx30 Dec 2014 #127

convince the murderers and killers first and then i'll be happy to agree with you samsingh Dec 2014 #72

Then answer me this... RoccoR5955 Dec 2014 #93

for justice, for the victims, to protect society samsingh Dec 2014 #121

So then lowering yourself to the level or a killer RoccoR5955 Dec 2014 #123

i don't follow the logic that justice is lowering oneself to the level of a 'killer' samsingh Dec 2014 #132

peaceful resistance. RoccoR5955 Dec 2014 #133

Gandhi believed in self-defense. X_Digger Dec 2014 #146

it worked for Gandhi because he was up against the British samsingh Dec 2014 #148

He said that is what the Jews should do. Behind the Aegis Dec 2014 #149

the action to take depends on the opponent samsingh Dec 2014 #160

That, by far, is the dumbest statement yet in this thread. GGJohn Dec 2014 #91

Dumb huh? RoccoR5955 Dec 2014 #94

Guess I was wrong about it being the dumbest statement in this thread, GGJohn Dec 2014 #96

And here I thought the 'ka-pow' shooting a gun from a perp's hand was silly. X_Digger Dec 2014 #145

Meanwhile EMS was out on the sidewalk trying to Historic NY Dec 2014 #158

Whatever happened to it? IT never existed as a police tactic. X_Digger Dec 2014 #143

Maybe in your world. RoccoR5955 Dec 2014 #159

I'm not too young to remember Gene Autry and The Lone Ranger. X_Digger Dec 2014 #168

And your video comes from RoccoR5955 Dec 2014 #171

FBI training was considered the gold standard for police agencies. X_Digger Dec 2014 #174

So training from a right wing traitor RoccoR5955 Dec 2014 #176

So you got nothing, eh? Nothing except insults.. figured as much. n/t X_Digger Dec 2014 #177

Besides which, the film RoccoR5955 Dec 2014 #179

SO.. no documentation, given the power of google, bing, etc, that shows 'shoot to wound' training?!? X_Digger Dec 2014 #180

Post removed Post removed Dec 2014 #181

There's no such thing as a "good shoot" when a fellow human being is killed. The_Commonist Dec 2014 #6

Tranquilzer guns don't work like in the movies KinMd Dec 2014 #7

Ah, I see, so just forget about it. The_Commonist Dec 2014 #8

Ok guy stabs a guy he didn't know in the head, while screaming "I will kill the Jew" KinMd Dec 2014 #9

Yeah, that guy sucked, and should spend a very long time in prison. The_Commonist Dec 2014 #10

He is not going to spend any time in prison because he is dead. LisaL Dec 2014 #11

I don't like it either, most cops don't either KinMd Dec 2014 #12

elephant dart would be lethal. derp. nt geek tragedy Dec 2014 #15

I, too, don't like it when cops kill people, although whether they are local is irrelevant. branford Dec 2014 #20

i'm more concerned about the innocent black men being shot by police samsingh Dec 2014 #26

Maybe you could develop some spider man like web shooting technology snooper2 Dec 2014 #24

omg...don't be silly! Inkfreak Dec 2014 #124

Stop it, you make too much sense! nt 7962 Dec 2014 #85

How do you expect using a tranquilizer... brendan120678 Dec 2014 #16

U mad bro? nt geek tragedy Dec 2014 #17

Because then you'd be back here to complain "Why is this guy in jail?" ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2014 #21

+1 freshwest Dec 2014 #34

That argument fits the right-wing phrase "knee-jerk liberal" cosmicone Dec 2014 #22

Why not just wait him out? Bragi Dec 2014 #29

They did wait him out by asking him to drop the weapon repeatedly. n/t cosmicone Dec 2014 #30

So what? Bragi Dec 2014 #33

You live in a perfect world. cosmicone Dec 2014 #35

I don't believe the cops on this Bragi Dec 2014 #36

" fair-minded person using common sense" cosmicone Dec 2014 #40

Derp. geek tragedy Dec 2014 #53

The cops would have waited him out had he chose to go that route. ManiacJoe Dec 2014 #49

Thank you. The_Commonist Dec 2014 #31

Derpity derp derp derp. geek tragedy Dec 2014 #57

Bingo! Your last sentence hits it. 7962 Dec 2014 #86

I hate the term. Shooting someone is never good. chrisa Dec 2014 #129

Lol, 'tranquilizer guns'?!? X_Digger Dec 2014 #147

Post removed Post removed Dec 2014 #154

it seems a difficult problem, but humans easily solve tougher ones reddread Dec 2014 #157

Dosage is the issue. Not enough? Little effect. A smidge too much? Respiratory Paralysis. (Dead.) X_Digger Dec 2014 #169

a million ways to skin a cat reddread Dec 2014 #172

Mriiiiiiiight. *sigh* X_Digger Dec 2014 #173

no you arent reddread Dec 2014 #175

How would you solve it? christx30 Dec 2014 #178

Can't police do anything but execute terrorist suspects? Bragi Dec 2014 #28

Yet another case of the police killing a black man. When will all this madness stop? n/t hughee99 Dec 2014 #32

The only bigot in this story is the assailant branford Dec 2014 #39

+1,000,000 n/t cosmicone Dec 2014 #41

+ 1,000,000 Rhinodawg Dec 2014 #45

If a white guy had done the same thing, do you believe the police would have shot him too? hughee99 Dec 2014 #46

White guy would be pushing up daisies too. geek tragedy Dec 2014 #52

I seem to recall a story about a man who called hughee99 Dec 2014 #92

I think anyone who behaved the same as the assailant would have been shot. branford Dec 2014 #56

Want me to find some videos of cops shooting white guys for you? 7962 Dec 2014 #87

Yes. Hell yes. NaturalHigh Dec 2014 #151

Glad I can be of assistance for you! Here ya go: 7962 Dec 2014 #155

I wasn't cheering for the result. NaturalHigh Dec 2014 #156

Here's the CNN report, including a video of the incident. branford Dec 2014 #37

"Kill the Jews " Rhinodawg Dec 2014 #38

Another radicalized member of people devoutly committed to peace. cosmicone Dec 2014 #42

We'll never know his motives, will we? Bragi Dec 2014 #43

Are you kidding? branford Dec 2014 #44

You must be joking .. did you forget the sarcasm smilie? cosmicone Dec 2014 #47

What I find amazing... Behind the Aegis Dec 2014 #50

The assailant, according to the article, was a severely bipolar man Scootaloo Dec 2014 #54

One of whom is a Jew, which seems not to matter to many. Behind the Aegis Dec 2014 #55

People are quite touchy lately about police shootings Scootaloo Dec 2014 #60

Are you suggesting that the shooting was not justified, branford Dec 2014 #58

The latter Scootaloo Dec 2014 #59

Fair enough. branford Dec 2014 #61

It's the part where he retrieved the knife Scootaloo Dec 2014 #62

I saw the video. joshcryer Dec 2014 #122

I couldn't bring myself to watch it Scootaloo Dec 2014 #131

The vast, vast, vast majority of people are arrested alive. NYC Liberal Dec 2014 #74

I'm going to speculate wildly here and suggest that his motive was a desire to kill Jews. (nt) Posteritatis Dec 2014 #82

What people are earning your sarcasm tag, cosmicone? Scootaloo Dec 2014 #51

What's the matter, cosmicone? Scootaloo Dec 2014 #88

Deserved. Lolita46 Dec 2014 #113

A most excellent GOOD SHOT! GOLGO 13 Dec 2014 #125

Perfect illustration of "compare and contrast" with the Michael Brown bullwinkle428 Dec 2014 #126

A tragic but neccesary shoot Kalidurga Dec 2014 #153