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NickB79

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23. Because Nature doesn't give a damn about per capita anything
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 07:29 PM
Dec 2014

All it cares about is the absolute number of tons of CO2 and methane we add to the atmosphere annually. In the end, we're ALL going to have to pay a heavy price. Most likely, the American standard of living will have to fall, and millions (billions?) of people around the world hoping to be lifted from poverty will see themselves staying there. We're talking about a global mass extinction event in the works; what makes you think anything about what could possibly be the largest planetary die-off since the dinosaurs will be fair?

Obviously we need to work on solutions that do not doom most humans to abject poverty (and allow a small number to maintain a nice, high-polluting lifestyle) in order to save the planet.


That's nice. It's been the standard line for the past 30+ years since we started discussing climate change seriously. And it's failed absolutely. Every attempt that has been made to find a solution that combines a high standard of living and an actual reduction in climate-altering gases has failed, as evident by the fact we're now at the highest PPM of CO2 in 3 million years and the Arctic ice cap is in a death spiral, despite large increases in the number of renewable and green tech introduced. Ultimately, the problem boils down to the fact we've exceeded this carrying capacity of the planet by several billion humans, yet we are loath to bring up this uncomfortable point in honest discussion. In all actuality, we have probably run out of time to keep working on any viable solutions to prevent catastrophic warming while maintaining an ever-growing, ever-consuming global society, given how much warming is already "baked into the cake", so to speak, and the threat that positive feedback loops pose as temperatures continue to rise.

Ultimately, the problem boils down to the fact we've exceeded the carrying capacity of the planet by several billion humans, and insist on adding billions more, yet we are loath to bring up this uncomfortable point in honest discussion.

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Only 5 years? SoapBox Dec 2014 #1
Oil will continue to drop.... Lugano Dec 2014 #2
In July 2009 the avg retail price of gasoline was $1.68/gal JimDandy Dec 2014 #3
Yes, and not just from the retailers and refineries. JDDavis Dec 2014 #5
Thanks for that. I have been meaning to research the way-back price Purveyor Dec 2014 #8
Oh not just gouged - we are being royally shafted PumpkinAle Dec 2014 #10
It's down to $2.28 at the christx30 Dec 2014 #12
The July 2009 price was ~ 2.50/gal. Psephos Dec 2014 #13
$2.27 in southwest Missouri Mad-in-Mo Dec 2014 #16
We're at $2.39 here in Minnesota, and I've heard it's $1.99 in Oklahoma. NickB79 Dec 2014 #17
what I would really like to see happen, ... quadrature Dec 2014 #4
Why? I don't understand why you "really would like that". JDDavis Dec 2014 #6
China --> export hogs ... quadrature Dec 2014 #9
In 2013 China exports - $2.2 trillion, imports - $1.9 trillion. Germany exports - $1.5 trilliion, pampango Dec 2014 #15
Because the only thing that stopped CO2 emissions so far was a global recession? NickB79 Dec 2014 #19
That will be the beginning of World War III. roamer65 Dec 2014 #7
And 1+ billion people fall back into abject poverty? pampango Dec 2014 #14
Well, it's that or the planet burns from climate change NickB79 Dec 2014 #18
Each Chinese produces much less pollution than each American. Why pampango Dec 2014 #20
Because Nature doesn't give a damn about per capita anything NickB79 Dec 2014 #23
It was under $20 before Dubya. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #11
quality crude oil is so easy to get in many countries, I think 10 or 20 a barrel is enough to pay Sunlei Dec 2014 #21
So you would like to pay $20 per barrel to burn the fuel? JDDavis Dec 2014 #22
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