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In reply to the discussion: Cracker Barrel Shooting: Gunman Opens Fire At Ohio Restaurant; 3 Dead [View all]Occulus
(20,599 posts)63. If the CCW laws are being put forward by investors in privatized prisons (Wells-Fargo),
then those laws could well be an attempt to reverse that declining trend.
Sick, I know, but it's not all that implausible, either; this isn't even conspiracy theory material. What do you think would happen when you give a person, group of people, or corporation a vested financial interest in locking people up:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/04/12/1082753/-STUNNING-Wells-Fargo-launders-Mexican-drug-cartel-money-then-invests-in-for-profit-prisons?detail=hide
As Wells Fargo has grown over the years, using its bailout funds to gobble up rival Wachovia and expand to the East Coast, so has the U.S. prison population. By 2008, one in 100 American adults were either in jail or in prison and one in nine black men between the ages of 20 and 34, many simply for non-violent offenses, justice not so much blind as bigoted. Overall, more than 2.3 million people are currently behind bars, up 50 percent in the last 15 years, the land of the free now accounting for a full quarter of the worlds prisoners.
These developments are not unrelated.
A driving force behind the push for ever-tougher sentences is the for-profit prison industry, in which Wells Fargo is a major investor. Flush with billions in bailout money and an economic system designed to siphon wealth from the working class to the idle rich, Wells Fargo has been busy expanding its stake in the GEO Group, the second largest private jailer in America. At the end of 2011, Wells Fargo was the companys second-largest investor, holding 4.3 million shares valued at more than $72 million. By March 2012, its stake had grown to more than 4.4 million shares worth $86.7 million.
These developments are not unrelated.
A driving force behind the push for ever-tougher sentences is the for-profit prison industry, in which Wells Fargo is a major investor. Flush with billions in bailout money and an economic system designed to siphon wealth from the working class to the idle rich, Wells Fargo has been busy expanding its stake in the GEO Group, the second largest private jailer in America. At the end of 2011, Wells Fargo was the companys second-largest investor, holding 4.3 million shares valued at more than $72 million. By March 2012, its stake had grown to more than 4.4 million shares worth $86.7 million.
SHOCKER (not), ALEC is involved:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2011/08/23/elite-privilege-and-the-prison-industrial-complex/
The number two corporation in Warren Buffets stock portfolio is Wells Fargo. Wells Fargo is a major beneficiary of corporate welfare. For instance, they received $43.7 billion in federal taxpayer bailout money. But far more destructive is Wells Fargos investment in prison profiteers. Wells Fargo owns 4 million shares in the Geo Group, the second largest private prison corporation in America, and 50,000 shares in the Corrections Corporation of America (CCA), the largest private prison corporation in the country. These shares combined are valued at more than $120 million (Source: http://www.cjjc.org/en/news/50-immigrant-rights/215-wells-fargo-divest-from-prisons ).
Companies such as the Geo Group and CCA do not earn their money by providing goods or services to customers. Rather, they make their money solely from the government, and solely for locking human beings in cages, mostly for non-violent offenses. Further, these companies actively lobby for unjust laws, largely using the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), a corporatist conservative political group.
Companies such as the Geo Group and CCA do not earn their money by providing goods or services to customers. Rather, they make their money solely from the government, and solely for locking human beings in cages, mostly for non-violent offenses. Further, these companies actively lobby for unjust laws, largely using the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), a corporatist conservative political group.
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onehandle
Apr 2012
OP
Ahem. Do not disparage their bacon. I happen to love it. It's thick and crispy.
Sarah Ibarruri
Apr 2012
#7
It makes me vomit that anyone, even sick sons of bitches like this one, have access to guns nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Apr 2012
#29
That has a name. Shrinks in the U.S. call this, 'family annihilation.' I hate guns.
Sarah Ibarruri
Apr 2012
#36
Ah. Aren't guns just f'ng great? They just give me one hell of a feeling of safety. nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Apr 2012
#5
Sure. That's why bombs are sold at the local supermarket. It's not the bombs, it's the people that
Sarah Ibarruri
Apr 2012
#38
Actually there a lot of toxic chemicals at the super market that could be used for evil purposes.
Remmah2
Apr 2012
#44
Ok, and I have nothing against the sale of metal. Let individuals manufacture their own gun
Sarah Ibarruri
Apr 2012
#47
Fine. However, every gun murder I read (and there are plenty) is done with guns purchased, made by
Sarah Ibarruri
Apr 2012
#52
I knew it wouldn't be long before the NRA rep would show up. Does defending gun manufacturers
Sarah Ibarruri
Apr 2012
#60
Does it insult you to be called the NRA? Your only comments to me are defenses of the NRA's
Sarah Ibarruri
Apr 2012
#66
You have not explained how you will seize all those guns nor how you will pay for them.
hack89
Apr 2012
#72
It helps when you are accusing them of things they have no participation in or responsibility for.
PavePusher
Apr 2012
#113
Commercially available coke an heroin were banned, but it was made legal to produce your own?
harmonicon
Apr 2012
#102
No - the idea that banning them will make them disappear from American society.
hack89
Apr 2012
#103
I don't know, but it's ridiculous that we have to live this way, with constant gun murders in this
Sarah Ibarruri
Apr 2012
#71
You're an ace at misinterpreting the 2nd and 3rd amendments to your advantage.
Sarah Ibarruri
Apr 2012
#116
" It was meant for a time when...." ...applies equally to the rest of the Amendments.
PavePusher
Apr 2012
#119
I have a right not to feel threatened by maniacs who want to pack heat and are just dying to shoot
Sarah Ibarruri
Apr 2012
#151
Those people are generally classed as "criminals" and are not legally allowed...
PavePusher
Apr 2012
#155
Wrong. A gun murderer was just a person with a gun before he killed someone nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Apr 2012
#157
And gun sellers know who they are before selling guns to them? Oh please. nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Apr 2012
#162
Sorry, you made that turn a bit fast for me. What are you stating/asking? n/t
PavePusher
Apr 2012
#164
Look, I'm bored discussing the defense of the right wing NRA. I'm done with this. nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Apr 2012
#166
Gun lovers love the NRA, and are likely members of it. And the NRA is Republican nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Apr 2012
#176
How would you defend yourself against someone throwing a piece of furniture at you? Or slapping you
Sarah Ibarruri
Apr 2012
#89
? Is it not enough to say you defend the NRA? And the NRA is Republican nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Apr 2012
#175
Are you kidding me? Your views reflect those of the Republican NRA, but I'm supposed to ignore that
Sarah Ibarruri
Apr 2012
#178
You left out the vital 1st step: Shred the Constitution when you don't agree with it
24601
Apr 2012
#130
No doubt the framers meant that changes require a Constitutional amendment. It's less-clear that
24601
Apr 2012
#134
And changes begin with people like me, who are tired of bullshit, such as the Clint Eastwood
Sarah Ibarruri
Apr 2012
#138
I'm actually gratified that you will not discuss this further because the last thing we need are
24601
Apr 2012
#140
"death and murder happen by the second everywhere in the world" Bullshit.
Sarah Ibarruri
Apr 2012
#152
Well, I'd settle for getting rid of that NRA-sponsored 75%. Thanks for making my point for me nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Apr 2012
#183
Oh, they'll be jumping on this soon. Personally, I suspect more people would have been killed if
Hoyt
Apr 2012
#9
Don't see the connection between CCW and the private for profit prison system.
AlbertCat
Apr 2012
#39
If the CCW laws are being put forward by investors in privatized prisons (Wells-Fargo),
Occulus
Apr 2012
#63
The response was to potentially explain why there were no 'friendlies' with guns inside the
AtheistCrusader
Apr 2012
#59
He seemed totally normal at first but gradually became abusive and controlling.
CottonBear
Apr 2012
#24
Abused Women and Family shelters are life savers. Your assistant DA is doing good work.
CottonBear
Apr 2012
#75
The ironic thing is that gun violence is at historic low and you have never been safer
hack89
Apr 2012
#46
the problem is that you gun-promoters want guns to be available to every hot headed asshole in theUS
Kolesar
Apr 2012
#112
But there is the issue in a nut shell - "level of violence we are forced to live with"
hack89
Apr 2012
#64
But you don't get it - violence is declining. It is at historically low level and still going down.
hack89
Apr 2012
#172
But gun violence is at historic lows. Statistically, this didn't really happen.
Crunchy Frog
Apr 2012
#129
How long before the NRA-GOP argues that divorce by gun is a Constitutional right?
onehandle
Apr 2012
#85
I wouldn't put anything past them - so sad how those two organizations have...
polichick
Apr 2012
#86
Well, to be honest, it is not like assault weapons were ever a real threat to public safety
hack89
Apr 2012
#124
If your option b involves vast improvements in mental health care and attitudes toward women...
slackmaster
Apr 2012
#170