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Igel

(37,608 posts)
31. Really?
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 12:16 PM
Dec 2014

Probably less than a 1% return on investment, just looking at the dollars involved and nothing more. And probably being generous at that, because the "profit" relies crucially upon what's likely to be judged by many who love the idea of TARP turning a profit as an inflated, bubble-like stock market.

Moreover, this is before inflation. In any given year inflation was at least 1%.

This is CYA accounting. Add up all expenses, add up all returns. What's missing is any thinking about what else that money could have done. Could it have been used to provide a larger return? If it hadn't been used, what would the losses have been? When you make financial decisions on anything more than petty purchases, those are the kinds of things people should think about: Is there a better use? What am I giving up? What need is being satisfied, and is it a need and not a want.

With TARP, we keep having such discussions but since the various sides can't agree on the facts (and when pushed for agreement, the topic shifts time and again).

The best this does is to avoid butt-obvious embarrassment. It's a rhetorical and not a substantive fig leaf.

For what it's worth, I'm on the side of TARP, but insist on saying that while it was a Bush II project over half of it was actually disbursed by Obama. On saying that while it had a good purpose, mitigating fiscal panic, a significant portion was used contrary to legislation for corporate bailouts for not so much economic as political purposes. Once the money was used for those purposes, the only recourse was for the Fed to do what TARP was supposed to do (although TARP was probably smaller than necessary, even before funds were siphoned off), with the consequence that the Fed probably overdid their program (again, partly for political purposes).

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Not bad Andy823 Dec 2014 #1
Really? Igel Dec 2014 #31
Terrible! Horrible! Criminal! SoapBox Dec 2014 #2
Turning a profit is not evidence that it was a good idea FBaggins Dec 2014 #8
Wasn't the program optional? George II Dec 2014 #14
Not really FBaggins Dec 2014 #15
Yeah, but didn't they publicly give it back and wave it off? MADem Dec 2014 #26
They were actually forbidden to pay it back FBaggins Dec 2014 #32
What competitors? joshcryer Dec 2014 #19
It depends on how you define "affected" FBaggins Dec 2014 #33
If a bank dealt with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac they were affected. joshcryer Dec 2014 #36
+1 OrwellwasRight Dec 2014 #34
And the best part is that them dumb shits don't know that Sopkoviak Dec 2014 #9
And the millions of people who lost their livelihoods and homes? brentspeak Dec 2014 #3
well said n/t Psephos Dec 2014 #6
Why did TARP show a paper profit? Because the real, $16 trillion bailout.... PoliticAverse Dec 2014 #4
Beat me to it. nt MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 #5
everyone should read your Sanders link Psephos Dec 2014 #7
^^^this^^^ progressoid Dec 2014 #12
That's a totally separate issue and the two shouldn't be conflated. stevenleser Dec 2014 #13
+1 ... shouldn't, but they will. Was it ever thus? nt MADem Dec 2014 #27
BS earthside Dec 2014 #10
Most of the banks given TARP money weren't in trouble in the first place NobodyHere Dec 2014 #11
good they finally got rid of all those shares without a loss! Sunlei Dec 2014 #16
Give me $100Billion at near 0%/yr...... bvar22 Dec 2014 #17
What the whiners and naysayers are not considering Nye Bevan Dec 2014 #18
It saved the banks, not so sure about everyone else JonLP24 Dec 2014 #24
That's unverifiable. candelista Dec 2014 #28
Thank God it passed! mathematic Dec 2014 #20
I believe in government intervention to help citizens. OrwellwasRight Dec 2014 #35
Here is kind of a crazy idea how about using that doc03 Dec 2014 #21
I wonder how much profit the CEOs ended with JonLP24 Dec 2014 #22
Guess TARP turned out well after all, maybe some of the whining can turn to joy. Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #23
When free market businesses get too "efficient" IronLionZion Dec 2014 #25
But, how much did the people lose?? kentuck Dec 2014 #29
But how much did the banks make? Kelvin Mace Dec 2014 #30
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