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MADem

(135,425 posts)
8. Here--I got lazy, I've got proof !
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 09:01 AM
Dec 2014
http://www.forbes.com/sites/dannykennedy/2012/12/10/saudis-invest-heavily-in-solar-just-as-the-us-tries-to-catch-up-to-saudis-in-oil/

There wasn’t much coverage earlier this month of the Saudi Arabia‘s decision to invest $100 billion in solar power. Instead there was a lot of frothy coverage of an International Energy Agency report suggesting the USA could overtake Saudi Arabia as an oil producer by 2020 if a lot of dubious assumptions panned out.

Likewise there wasn’t a lot of interest earlier this year when Warren Buffett, through MidAmerican Holdings, put over $2 billion into one solar project in California. Instead there was a lot of noise and grandstanding when the US government picked the wrong bet and lost a quarter as much in Solyndra.

The reality is that solar power has come of age and is now a bankable technology attracting the likes of Buffett and Google and KKR and Blackstone and Walmart and MetLife because it garners double-digit returns on investment. Smart money and the Saudi’s know solar works; why don’t we?

Take only the news from King Abdullah City for a moment, where spokespeople say they’re targeting around 41,000 megawatts of solar capacity within two decades[ii]. Can you imagine the hype if 41 nuclear power plants were seriously canvassed to be built anywhere in the next 20 years?


I think we're on the cusp of a change in the way people are thinking--even the oil producing states are turning to solar as a way to clean their own air and extend their reserves....every barrel they don't burn at home is one they can sell. Over the long haul, though, one country at a time, we're going to see solar and wind--and who knows, maybe even wave power--become ascendant.

Oh, happy day! It can't come too soon to suit me!

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well they have so much money they can afford to crash it in order to drive the others out of busines belzabubba333 Dec 2014 #1
This is an OPEC decision--that includes many of those others. MADem Dec 2014 #5
And we bombed or sanctioned or generally pissed off most of those countries. dixiegrrrrl Dec 2014 #9
This has little to do with us. We aren't in charge of this evolution. MADem Dec 2014 #13
Not sure what energy game the Saudis could stay in Kelvin Mace Dec 2014 #28
UK oil production has dropped radically since 1999 happyslug Dec 2014 #42
USA imports are often very misleading. One of the reasons USA imports is for MADem Dec 2014 #55
That is why I try to use Net Imports, a more accurate number. happyslug Dec 2014 #56
I hope the Koch brothers are feeling the pain. SamKnause Dec 2014 #2
I doubt our bought-and-paid-for Congress will let them feel much pain . . . another_liberal Dec 2014 #3
The Saudis have invested BILLIONS in alternative energy. MADem Dec 2014 #4
I hope so rosesaylavee Dec 2014 #7
Here--I got lazy, I've got proof ! MADem Dec 2014 #8
Last gasp of the electric companies in Cal. is dixiegrrrrl Dec 2014 #10
We may just be able to survive rosesaylavee Dec 2014 #16
On the surface this might seem bad MyNameGoesHere Dec 2014 #6
That is part of OPEC's strategy, to keep costs low. MADem Dec 2014 #14
That is what they are trying to do. dixiegrrrrl Dec 2014 #15
oh noze!! Locrian Dec 2014 #22
Oh we will Munificence Dec 2014 #35
yeah Locrian Dec 2014 #43
Agree Strelnikov_ Dec 2014 #23
It is not the oil companies that worry me Kelvin Mace Dec 2014 #29
Venezuela needs high oil prices, even higher than Russia. amandabeech Dec 2014 #45
I like my gas under $3.00 termroffor Dec 2014 #11
Russia and Venezuela would be bankrupt though. FLPanhandle Dec 2014 #12
Venezuela is part of OPEC. MADem Dec 2014 #18
us too. elehhhhna Dec 2014 #19
Bring it on! Nt newfie11 Dec 2014 #17
i have small oilco clients in Tx that have already gone toes up. elehhhhna Dec 2014 #20
You are hearing wrong. former9thward Dec 2014 #24
The Bakken shale oil bust is happening right now Brother Buzz Dec 2014 #25
That's not going to last Kelvin Mace Dec 2014 #30
Yes and peak oil was going to happen in 1980. former9thward Dec 2014 #32
Who said Peak Oil was going to happen in 1980? Kelvin Mace Dec 2014 #36
Since you asked... former9thward Dec 2014 #37
Umm, Wikipedia is a good starting point for discusion Kelvin Mace Dec 2014 #44
"using tech that Hubert didn't forsee" Psephos Dec 2014 #49
Not really Kelvin Mace Dec 2014 #54
I've got two friends that were on those fracking crews newfie11 Dec 2014 #33
Yes but nothing ever stays the same in oil. former9thward Dec 2014 #34
I am not hoping for unemployment. Here's a recent article. mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2014 #38
As I have stated in posts upthread former9thward Dec 2014 #40
Agreed. Best wishes. Happy holidays. NT mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2014 #41
Unemployment is always low lancer78 Dec 2014 #48
Remember when the fucking war Hawks wanted war with Putin over Crimea, how the mass media Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #21
Obama sets global oil prices? Comrade Grumpy Dec 2014 #26
I think the gist of his point was Kelvin Mace Dec 2014 #31
The Comrade is not interested in comprehension, simple inanities do not require it. Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #39
A man with a purple lens sees everything in shades of lavender.... Psephos Dec 2014 #50
Nice suggestion. I'd vote for him again, too. freshwest Dec 2014 #47
Just bought a Leaf Kelvin Mace Dec 2014 #27
QE4 will be buying up all the high yield energy junk bonds... roamer65 Dec 2014 #46
Keep in mind that it will all come to an end once the Saudis have made their point... regnaD kciN Dec 2014 #51
The Saudis are trying to destroy somebody, but I'm not sure who. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #52
A little bit of both maybe.... GOLGO 13 Dec 2014 #53
Don't they hate Iran, too? leftyladyfrommo Dec 2014 #57
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