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96. Saying "I dont believe you" is the same as saying "you're lying"

Wed Dec 24, 2014, 12:19 PM

Dec 2014

Some story from a cop dropping a gun yrs ago has nothing to do with THIS case. There were over 100 cops killed last year, does that justify the cops doing their job poorly? Of course not. Each case has to be judged on its own. But I no longer give the cops the instant benefit of the doubt like I did in my younger days.
I believe an indictment should have been brought in the Garner case and I said here many times that the focus should have always been on THAT case; where it was on tape and showed everything. The ferguson case was always going to be a mess because of the differing witnesses and the fact that there was some type of altercation.
In this case, the cop needs some action taken against him at least because he didnt have his camera on, IMO. Dont know about the dashcam, which would likely show the incident since it was in front of the car.
And as for your "actual DUers" comment, I've been here a lot longer than you have. Who made you the decider of who is a "real" member??

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Antonio Martin, Black Teenager, Fatally Shot By Police 2 Miles From Ferguson: Report [View all] ellenrr Dec 2014 OP

Stream from the gas station JackInGreen Dec 2014 #1

thanks- I couldn't get it, but that is probably my old computer, I ellenrr Dec 2014 #9

Did she actually get the incident? marym625 Dec 2014 #12

What is the new here THECHOSEN1 Dec 2014 #2

Got a link JackInGreen Dec 2014 #3

What report wouldn't be 'sourced with the PD'? ColesCountyDem Dec 2014 #6

It's unfortunate, but the PD is not a reliable source. bobGandolf Dec 2014 #15

Since there is video evidence marym625 Dec 2014 #13

Hence JackInGreen Dec 2014 #19

check marym625 Dec 2014 #21

I did JackInGreen Dec 2014 #23

and from what I saw marym625 Dec 2014 #33

The Escape Clause! cynzke Dec 2014 #69

Crickets from the person to whom you responded. Typical. - nt KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #99

Welcome to DU! XemaSab Dec 2014 #4

Thanks for the patronation THECHOSEN1 Dec 2014 #104

Patronization, not "patronation" kwassa Dec 2014 #127

Pardon me if I want to see concrete, video evidence on this. AngryOldDem Dec 2014 #5

Here's ABC News: LiberalElite Dec 2014 #7

jesus christ marym625 Dec 2014 #14

It was a cell phone? mwrguy Dec 2014 #105

the poster above said "I bet the kid pulled out a cell phone". Schema Thing Dec 2014 #107

I don't know marym625 Dec 2014 #120

We already have Feral Child Dec 2014 #11

LOL ellenrr Dec 2014 #40

Hi, ellenrr! Feral Child Dec 2014 #45

Hi Feral Child. I really enjoy your posts. nt ellenrr Dec 2014 #87

Thanks Feral Child Dec 2014 #92

I don't think that's good english -chuckle - but I know what you mean. :) nt ellenrr Dec 2014 #95

Very true. bobGandolf Dec 2014 #16

The snide responses prove that no one here is interested in the facts. chrisa Dec 2014 #41

"no one here is interested in the facts." I wouldnt say no one is interested because I am cstanleytech Dec 2014 #65

Do you know what that 'something' was? sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #82

No one here does. That's my point. chrisa Dec 2014 #89

Yes. I ignore all 840high Dec 2014 #130

what video? GreatGazoo Dec 2014 #83

here: 7962 Dec 2014 #86

Of course! Police never lie and never plant evidence! tabasco Dec 2014 #125

Armed adult pulls gun on cop and is shot.... pipoman Dec 2014 #8

Thank you. Sanity is lacking here lately. nt 7962 Dec 2014 #10

See Post #42 Feral Child Dec 2014 #50

Here is video of just prior to the indcident 7962 Dec 2014 #85

AS they should. Feral Child Dec 2014 #90

Saying "I dont believe you" is the same as saying "you're lying" 7962 Dec 2014 #96

Oh, please. Feral Child Dec 2014 #100

Well I appreciate your dedication, but I've never posted disinformation. 7962 Dec 2014 #102

I wasn't commenting on the video. Feral Child Dec 2014 #108

The story I linked to mentioned a larceny report; I read his post after the story, 7962 Dec 2014 #123

Yes, our own "chain of evidence" has been muddied. Feral Child Dec 2014 #131

2014 Line of Duty Deaths: 114 frylock Dec 2014 #103

wow backwoodsbob Dec 2014 #101

Nice try Feral Child Dec 2014 #112

"officer was conducting a routine business check." Demit Dec 2014 #20

OK, mea culpa....insert "routine business check", doesn't change the point... pipoman Dec 2014 #22

People loitering at a business? You mean customers? Demit Dec 2014 #38

No, loitering, panhandling, dealing, etc.... pipoman Dec 2014 #73

What constitutes a loiterer? Demit Dec 2014 #93

Or perhaps they were walking through the parking lot??? giftedgirl77 Dec 2014 #63

Or perhaps you haven't a clue what police routines consist of... pipoman Dec 2014 #74

A routine business check means they drive through the business giftedgirl77 Dec 2014 #106

I have seen no video nor had the poster I was responding to pipoman Dec 2014 #121

What gets me is "alleged victim". Is that what they asjr Dec 2014 #76

is a person, say an obvious example, pipoman Dec 2014 #78

Twisted,and deceitful, as usual. Feral Child Dec 2014 #42

Lol....blah, blah, blah pipoman Dec 2014 #68

Hi Righty! Ex-Green Beret here. Anansi1171 Dec 2014 #80

Is that how you perceive real DUers? Feral Child Dec 2014 #88

Avoid and distract... pipoman Dec 2014 #114

And you're an expert Feral Child Dec 2014 #132

Well, you've got around 7 years of catching up with me...if you're not pipoman Dec 2014 #133

So, you're among Feral Child Dec 2014 #134

Lol.. you are too much... pipoman Dec 2014 #135

I'll wait for the true story heaven05 Dec 2014 #17

so far marym625 Dec 2014 #26

okay heaven05 Dec 2014 #31

Taken fromfb Cop Block..take w/grain of salt" duhneece Dec 2014 #46

It was protesters marym625 Dec 2014 #51

I'll have to wait for more reporting of what the witnesses say ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #71

sick of this story repeating marym625 Dec 2014 #75

Watching Mayor's Press Conference on the shooting ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #81

That's not what was said in the earlier press conference marym625 Dec 2014 #117

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2014 #91

Here is the video, FWIW. 7962 Dec 2014 #97

supposedly there's video marym625 Dec 2014 #18

I'm confused about the angles. EvilAL Dec 2014 #24

the picture where we see the gun, it's next to a wall Enrique Dec 2014 #28

Yeah, EvilAL Dec 2014 #32

It is next to the curb, it appears, not a wall. And the curb in previous pic shows no gun. nt mariawr Dec 2014 #64

oh, i see thanks Enrique Dec 2014 #66

That's the orange marker next to the yellow tarp giftedgirl77 Dec 2014 #72

I don;t think you can say for sure what is and isn;t in those pics. The resolution sucks. Adrahil Dec 2014 #109

Just what I was going to say marym625 Dec 2014 #124

reporter David Carson marym625 Dec 2014 #29

He was there the whole time? EvilAL Dec 2014 #34

There's more on the live stream marym625 Dec 2014 #37

Yeah, I get that. EvilAL Dec 2014 #44

I don't. marym625 Dec 2014 #49

he says he didn't arrive on the scene until 12:35 Enrique Dec 2014 #77

and pictures from earlier marym625 Dec 2014 #79

Do you have access to better pics? Adrahil Dec 2014 #110

Not at the moment. marym625 Dec 2014 #122

is there an explanation to go along with the picture? Enrique Dec 2014 #25

why aren't the photos from the same perspective? pipoman Dec 2014 #27

Because he didn't even realize what he was photographing marym625 Dec 2014 #30

Here's the video EvilAL Dec 2014 #36

considering the circumstances marym625 Dec 2014 #39

Be skeptical if you want, EvilAL Dec 2014 #43

"pointed something" marym625 Dec 2014 #47

Well, EvilAL Dec 2014 #52

At a place of business with innocent bystanders marym625 Dec 2014 #53

Fair enough.... but whatever he's holding, he sure isn;t holding it like a cell phone. Adrahil Dec 2014 #111

Sure looks a lot like he pulled a gun. n/t cigsandcoffee Dec 2014 #113

It looks like the photos are from 2 different places. Vinca Dec 2014 #54

of the same place. n/t marym625 Dec 2014 #55

Right . . . I should have been more clear. Vinca Dec 2014 #56

Sorry marym625 Dec 2014 #59

It doesn't look like the same place in the parking lot. Vinca Dec 2014 #98

It is marym625 Dec 2014 #119

I see a cone in every one of the top photos Travelman Dec 2014 #115

Off topic but I really can't believe exboyfil Dec 2014 #35

I've been on a number of calls, and around for a few decades, and it is vanishingly rare to find jtuck004 Dec 2014 #48

I found that odd marym625 Dec 2014 #58

How could it have five rounds in the chamber? PeteSelman Dec 2014 #60

Doesn't make sense that someone not doing anything wrong would just pull a gun on a cop . . . brush Dec 2014 #57

according to what photos? Enrique Dec 2014 #61

There's a post in this thread with photos from a Post Dispatch photographer . . . brush Dec 2014 #70

I'm reluctantly going to say that... CANDO Dec 2014 #84

I'm not seeing a police marker Schema Thing Dec 2014 #116

I was just going to say that marym625 Dec 2014 #118

The marker is just a few feet from the body. CANDO Dec 2014 #128

The marker seems to be a different marker in the top two pics Schema Thing Dec 2014 #129

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2014 #94

Too......many.....fucking....guns....in America. The cops are scared to die like everyone else. 300 Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #62

"Too......many.....fucking....guns....in America. " Agree there. nt cstanleytech Dec 2014 #67

Wow! Waddya know gopiscrap Dec 2014 #126