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(45,251 posts)words the way we have been brainwashed to use them. People like Lunz have gotten rich on figuring out which words to use and avoid and how to re-define everything.
If the definition of socialism had remained confined to government ownership of the means of production, you would have had a much easier time convincing your co-worker that Bernie has never advocated either communism or socialism. But, since common usage broadened the definition and made it much vaguer, you have a harder time.
Fire Departments and Police Departments do constitute government ownership of the means of production of those two things. Medicare constitutes government ownership of a type of health insurance (though not of health care). The Post Office constitutes government ownership of one mail delivery service (which is why it's been a target of the right and the center right for a long time).
so·cial·ism
noun \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm\
: a way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies
Full Definition of SOCIALISM
1
: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2
a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3
: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism
Ask yourself: who does a definition of socialism that is "truthier" than the above serve more, the right or the left?