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43. Depends on what "necessary arrests" means.

Tue Dec 30, 2014, 04:05 PM

Dec 2014

If I'm beating up somebody and won't stop unless arrested, sure, it's necessary. Or likely to be. It would stop me from hurting somebody.

If I just mugged you and I'm running away, if I've stopped beating you and I'm running away, is my arrest necessary? Why? I'm not hurting anybody.

Is that the distinction drawn?

What if I'm just breaking a window or stealing out of a car. Is the arrest necessary? "Necessary", like many other words ("good," "bad," "virtuous&quot get their meaning from context. Up-thread most posters have some definition in mind, but it's pretty clear that in a lot of cases they're really different definitions, and it depends mostly on the level of good or ill-will towards police in general.

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And now the threat to all New Yorkers, right on schedule randys1 Dec 2014 #1

So they endanger one man and kill him and now endanger Lint Head Dec 2014 #2

cool no more crazy cops drunk on power choking people belzabubba333 Dec 2014 #3

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Like the town in Mexico (Acapulco, Mexico) whose cops went on strike: tblue37 Dec 2014 #90

Exactly! AwakeAtLast Dec 2014 #86

Fire those cops! blkmusclmachine Dec 2014 #89

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Until someone decides that it seems we can police the city Kber Dec 2014 #71

Impossible politically in NYC. former9thward Dec 2014 #77

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No more deadly chokeholds on minority males who commit petty offenses then?!? Dawson Leery Dec 2014 #7

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Awesome! Keep up the better work. Daemonaquila Dec 2014 #12

+100! nt 99th_Monkey Dec 2014 #19

this seeeeems actually ... bettydavis Dec 2014 #13

Has crime gone up accordingly? BeyondGeography Dec 2014 #14

The average NYC employee represents a significant expense to taxpayers. former9thward Dec 2014 #45

How about just the ones that are refusing to do their jobs. Bandit Dec 2014 #57

Union schmunion BeyondGeography Dec 2014 #58

This Is The NY Post DallasNE Dec 2014 #15

I wonder how much the stats for the crime rate are linked to the arrest rate.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #16

Time to right-size the NYPD alcibiades_mystery Dec 2014 #17

"NYPD traffic tickets and summonses for minor offenses have dropped off by a staggering 94 percent" 951-Riverside Dec 2014 #18

So they are getting less overtime pay because of the lack of arrests then? n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2014 #20

Hmmmm.... Ed Suspicious Dec 2014 #21

Ha! I had the same thought at the same time. Jacoby365 Dec 2014 #24

"not make arrests unless it's absolutely necessary" Jacoby365 Dec 2014 #22

+1 Ed Suspicious Dec 2014 #27

It sure reads like a confession to me. They ADMIT their needless harassment of citizens. arcane1 Dec 2014 #31

I know, Right? Shouldn't that be the only time they make arrests? Iggo Dec 2014 #33

That seems about right. Trillo Dec 2014 #79

Good news Sanity Claws Dec 2014 #23

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Sounds like the "prisoners running the prison"..... nt Ernesto Dec 2014 #61

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100% right on! Kber Dec 2014 #74

Ummm. Why were they making unnecessary arrests? bravenak Dec 2014 #29

It's a gravy train for money. NutmegYankee Dec 2014 #32

Got to keep those jails full. Private prisons don't fund themselves!! bravenak Dec 2014 #34

Exacxtly! NutmegYankee Dec 2014 #36

I'm paying some court costs myself. bravenak Dec 2014 #37

The sad fact is though... NutmegYankee Dec 2014 #39

I would have. bravenak Dec 2014 #40

I'm not familiar with sr22 as a term. NutmegYankee Dec 2014 #44

Insurance for bad drivers, lol! bravenak Dec 2014 #48

It still comes off as unfair. NutmegYankee Dec 2014 #52

I didn't bother to try. bravenak Dec 2014 #54

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I have no idea what cop lingo really means ever. bravenak Dec 2014 #51

If the pig has been disrespected, arrest is necessary. Ino Dec 2014 #66

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real upstand people eh. barbtries Dec 2014 #53

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Fantastic news. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #56

Not seeing a downside to this. Starry Messenger Dec 2014 #59

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