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36. Apparently not all of us live in a different world. We all live in a strange world.

Sun Dec 25, 2011, 04:40 PM

Dec 2011

Some guys out there and a few gals, strap'em on each and every day. Not too many of those are hunters or are worried about defending themselves against an oppressive government. They do it because they believe there is a statistically significant chance that, just by walking out of the house, their lives are in danger from fellow citizens. You know, rapists and robbers behind every tree kinda thinking. And, believe it or not, more are carrying guns on a daily basis. They believe it makes them safer. Not invincible, but safer. I think they've been sold a bill of goods to the point that they are delusional. The good thing is, most are honest, law abiding people. The bad thing is, they buy into the fear mongering and, in doing so, contribute to the downward slide of our society.
The great irony is that the "good" guys inadvertently supply the "bad" guys with their guns, because "bad" guys aren't allowed to have them. Part of the rules. So they have to get them from the "good" guys by buying or stealing them.

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Merry Christmas... IamK Dec 2011 #1

shootings and racism in chattanooga Tennessee ploughboy Dec 2011 #2

Yes the racists come out of the woodwork here too proud2BlibKansan Dec 2011 #3

There are racists in Alberta, too DeathToTheOil Dec 2011 #60

Racist in Rome, Bosnia, Iraq, Germany, China, Japan, Russia. Remmah2 Dec 2011 #72

Monopoly, no. alcibiades_mystery Dec 2011 #88

You can go to Bossip.com and see the same type of comments. win_in_06 Dec 2011 #11

America, get in a fight and get shot sarcasmo Dec 2011 #4

Europe, get into a fight and get stabbed to death. Odin2005 Dec 2011 #90

Just to be clear, a cop shot 9 people... Deep13 Dec 2011 #5

Just to be clear - you have zero proof of that claim. nt Skip Intro Dec 2011 #33

I'm relying on the article. Deep13 Dec 2011 #48

Who turned into a flea? A cop? Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #35

naw Skittles Dec 2011 #45

Yes, I just hope he was not carrying plague germs. nt Deep13 Dec 2011 #47

Just to be clear, no he didn't TorchTheWitch Dec 2011 #53

I see. The article was pretty sloppy, then. Deep13 Dec 2011 #66

So were some of the initial replies here. Skip Intro Dec 2011 #71

'Tis the Season! slackmaster Dec 2011 #6

I know that opposition to hand guns is not uniform here but honestly - jimlup Dec 2011 #7

Well clearly this is true dmallind Dec 2011 #9

"just doesn't apply anymore" PavePusher Dec 2011 #10

What are you going to use to "form a well organized militia? By an A-bomb?" jimlup Dec 2011 #15

And yet you still can't support... PavePusher Dec 2011 #16

Perhaps you meant "...well regulated," Johnson20 Dec 2011 #19

you are just picking nits ... jimlup Dec 2011 #23

Nits are much easier targets than a collective ethical behavior... LanternWaste Dec 2011 #87

Actually, "well organized" would accurately reflect the original meaning. TheWraith Dec 2011 #67

I see a whole lot of straw flying in the breeze slackmaster Dec 2011 #20

How many more must die because of our societies jimlup Dec 2011 #24

Criticizing something that you can't even quote looks amazingly week as a debate tactic slackmaster Dec 2011 #26

I could look it but honestly jimlup Dec 2011 #37

If insisting that we consider the actual 2A when discussing the 2A qualifies as dogmatism slackmaster Dec 2011 #43

They are refuting your ignorant, arrogant claims that you have failed to support with evidence. PavePusher Dec 2011 #74

I agree. 4% who can't venture out of house without a gun or two will whine and argue irrationally. Hoyt Dec 2011 #31

We live in a modern society where hand guns have no legitimate place IamK Dec 2011 #52

Complete bullshit.... quickesst Dec 2011 #61

Actually, very very few people agree with you. TheWraith Dec 2011 #68

Lots of sensible people do not agree with you. nt Remmah2 Dec 2011 #73

Apparently not all of us live in a different world. We all live in a strange world. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #36

a society of 300 million sylveste Dec 2011 #49

Then change the Constitution. How hard can it be? nt hack89 Dec 2011 #51

Interestingly enough... win_in_06 Dec 2011 #12

Fortunately you don't get to decide which parts of the Bill Of Rights Edweird Dec 2011 #13

Well actually I would recend the 2nd Amendment jimlup Dec 2011 #17

Like I said, I'm glad it's not up to you. Edweird Dec 2011 #18

But we do live in a democracy jimlup Dec 2011 #22

Yes, we do live in a democracy. You are outvoted on this in a big way. Edweird Dec 2011 #25

There is a legitimate Constitutional process for repealing an amendment slackmaster Dec 2011 #27

And what would you "fight to the death" with? Scheeeech n/t Johnson20 Dec 2011 #21

So start beating the drum for a Consitututional convention. hack89 Dec 2011 #29

Gun violence is at a 50 year low and steadily falling hack89 Dec 2011 #28

Actually I WISH it was 1776 from a gun ownership standard nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #30

That statement might have some credibility if you had a legitimate source to back it up. slackmaster Dec 2011 #34

Funny thing here on DU, the gun rights people act more like lawyers, WHEN CRABS ROAR Dec 2011 #38

Sorry but that is a historical fact nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #42

Clayton Cramer has done some actual research on the topic slackmaster Dec 2011 #44

So you are telling me that everybody had a Kentucky Riffle nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #64

No, I'm telling you that even a single anecdote outweighs your unsupported claim... slackmaster Dec 2011 #75

Unsoported ok nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #79

You've referred twice to "primary sources" in this sub-thread but haven't named one yet slackmaster Dec 2011 #80

Go look at any painting of the AID to General Washingon nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #82

A nation in which a large portion of the population is banned from owning guns or anything else slackmaster Dec 2011 #83

Thanks for twisting what I said nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #84

Simply not true. Straw Man Dec 2011 #89

That is why I get NRA email blasts nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #91

According to your links, all gunners over 45 years of age need to turn in your guns. Hoyt Dec 2011 #62

I don't follow your logic slackmaster Dec 2011 #76

You obviously didn't read your own link that said the "militia" includes people UNDER 45. Hoyt Dec 2011 #78

Nothing in the Constitution or the law makes militia membership a pre-requisite for owning a gun slackmaster Dec 2011 #81

So, Second Amendment mention nothing about "militia." So why did you post link in first place? Hoyt Dec 2011 #85

No, it says that the militia is important, and that an armed populace is a prerequisite... slackmaster Dec 2011 #86

+1000 ellisonz Dec 2011 #56

i agree, there are far more powerful weapons today, should people have access to drones to defend a JI7 Dec 2011 #40

I don't feel safe in my home... ellisonz Dec 2011 #57

If you can't debate without inventing a strawman argument... TheWraith Dec 2011 #69

It's called sarcasm. I'll engage in serious debate when it's offered. ellisonz Dec 2011 #70

The comments are typical of most teach1st Dec 2011 #8

Nashville's Paper Moved to Facebook, It Got So Bad NashVegas Dec 2011 #14

Has it helped? Posteritatis Dec 2011 #41

Yes, Kind Of NashVegas Dec 2011 #77

Let me get this straight. An off duty police officer shot 9 people claiming he saw a gun? Yikes. rhett o rick Dec 2011 #32

Merry Christmas NRA! SoapBox Dec 2011 #39

have you heard these? uncleroy Dec 2011 #46

Enjoy. ellisonz Dec 2011 #58

Danke, some light reading in between Zizek's books! nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #65

Mess = historically low levels of violent crime? You have never been safer. nt hack89 Dec 2011 #50

Could be safer...nt ellisonz Dec 2011 #59

Sure - sane drug laws and fully funded mental health are still needed to lower the level of violence hack89 Dec 2011 #63

How sad... Gringostan Dec 2011 #54

This is bad, but this is worse Politicalboi Dec 2011 #55